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JRutledge Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by gordon30307
You can observe mechanics and you can test rules knowledge but judgement and game management are subjective. This is where the new (to the area) experienced guy has to prove himself. It might take a season to gain the trust of the assignor. Then again if you're battling the good ole boys............
Here is what I love about our system. If an assignor likes you, they hire you. Of course they give the song and dance, "If you work my lower level games then you might get a shot......." That is really not true at all. If you can work and you go to camp and prove it, you will get hired if you have talent and someone sees it. I know a few people that transferred in and got varsity games right off the bat. There is nothing preventing someone from getting hired but the assignor and in some cases other officials that ask for a partner to come along. The only thing you might have a hard time to face is getting a playoff game and that is because the state runs that system and decides how much of your experience they will consider in that process. Or the state will decide how long it will take you to get promoted to the top level. And in many cases it takes those individuals a much shorter time to get to the Certified level (the highest level but not a requirement to work post season games). The more and more I read the happier that I am where I am.

Peace

tomegun Wed Jan 02, 2008 01:56pm
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Originally Posted by dblref
Tomegun - pick up your BS flag, as there is no BS. :rolleyes: I didn't say that all transfers were given a varsity schedule. I said all transfers were evaluated. They may or may not have been qualified for varsity. I have no idea why you were "held back".
I wasn't held back at all while I lived in the area. I just know of more than one official who wasn't given a schedule the goes along with their ability. Those officials would have been given varsity schedules in board 12 or 134.

tomegun Wed Jan 02, 2008 02:03pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge
Here is what I love about our system. If an assignor likes you, they hire you. Of course they give the song and dance, "If you work my lower level games then you might get a shot......." That is really not true at all. If you can work and you go to camp and prove it, you will get hired if you have talent and someone sees it. I know a few people that transferred in and got varsity games right off the bat. There is nothing preventing someone from getting hired but the assignor and in some cases other officials that ask for a partner to come along. The only thing you might have a hard time to face is getting a playoff game and that is because the state runs that system and decides how much of your experience they will consider in that process. Or the state will decide how long it will take you to get promoted to the top level. And in many cases it takes those individuals a much shorter time to get to the Certified level (the highest level but not a requirement to work post season games). The more and more I read the happier that I am where I am.

Peace
Rut, I can tell you for a fact that you can add Southern Nevada, the DC area (except Northern Virginia) and Mississippi to areas similar to yours. If you can work, you work. The only thing different would be those areas handle playoffs differently from your area. I can see where things might slow down when because of the playoff system you have in place.
I must be fortunate to only be places where what I do on the floor matters the most. If someone came here and was qualified I would ask to work with them. Shoot, why shouldn't I? The assignor could make someone qualified the U2 on all my games and I would laugh all the way home. Why wouldn't I want to benefit from working with someone good?

JRutledge Wed Jan 02, 2008 02:47pm
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Originally Posted by tomegun
Rut, I can tell you for a fact that you can add Southern Nevada, the DC area (except Northern Virginia) and Mississippi to areas similar to yours. If you can work, you work. The only thing different would be those areas handle playoffs differently from your area. I can see where things might slow down when because of the playoff system you have in place.
The reason that is where I live, associations do not give games. If they do, they open themselves up for violating independent contractor laws and might be liable for more than they are willing to be. Assignors are hired by the conferences and if the assignor likes you, that is all that matters. What I am reading from this post is that these are policies from associations or groups of officials. And that lends to more rules that should not apply. Our local associations are for training and training only. Yes there are assignor that might attach themselves to an association closely, but there are no by-laws that dictate who works and when. There might be by-laws that affect membership, but membership in an association (or level of membership) does not affect how you are hired.

Peace

Camron Rust Wed Jan 02, 2008 02:52pm
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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Other important Portland information.
But no matter how much experience you have, you won't get any varsity your first year. It just doesn't happen.
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Originally Posted by tomegun
So if someone moved to Portland after doing playoffs and/or state finals in another state they wouldn't have a full varsity schedule?

Is there a transfers scrimmage or anything like that? That is pretty rough.
What Juulie siad is simply not true. In fact, I'm working a 6A Boys Varsity game this Friday with an official that moved to Portland this last summer.

What is true is that you can't have any Varsty games the first few weeks of the first season....mostly due to our consitutional membership criteria.

Here's our process:
  1. All transfers will participate in a transfer scrimmage and assigned to a transfer training class.
  2. The first few weeks of games will be JV or lower (depending on the scrimmage evaluation). A qualified transfer will likely be working mostly 5A/6A JV boys.
  3. To work Varsity games, you have to be a "regular" member.
  4. To become a regular member, they have to get 5 peer evaluations at any Freshman or higher game.
  5. They then apply to the board for regular membership....which is mostly a formality and I know of no rejections for experienced transfers.
For a qualified transfer, they're almost always a regular member within 2-4 weeks of the start of the season. In fact, the commish usually schedules them for Varsity games in January anticipating they'll complete their "bookkeeping" requirements.

Camron Rust Wed Jan 02, 2008 02:59pm
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Originally Posted by DonInKansas
All of my VERY limited knowledge of how associations work is limited to what I've read on this board as well as browsing some websites. All I hear is griping and chirping about "good old boys" in associations as well.
Most of that comes from people that would rather blame "good old boys" for thier lack of progress rather than get out and improve their game and earn their advancement. That's more of what I see here than actual "good old boys".

JRutledge Wed Jan 02, 2008 03:00pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
Most of that comes from people that would rather blame "good old boys" for thier lack of progress rather than get out and improve their game and earn their advancement. That's more of what I see here than actual "good old boys".
Absolutely.

Peace

Camron Rust Wed Jan 02, 2008 03:21pm
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Originally Posted by budjones05
Right now, we are looking at houses in Beaverton.(SP) I guess that's like 10 miles away from Portland.
I'm in Hillsboro...with abuts with Beaverton. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions about the area.

RookieDude Wed Jan 02, 2008 03:41pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
I'm in Hillsboro...with abuts with Beaverton. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions about the area.
Hillsboro, OR?

I bought my 1994 Harley Fatboy from a guy that lived in Hillsboro, OR in 1998.

The dude hardly ever rode it...in fact, he kept it in his bedroom much of the time.

Those Hillsboro guys are a bunch of "pretty boys". :D

FrankHtown Wed Jan 02, 2008 03:44pm
My favorite T-shirt in Portland said "We don't tan...we rust"

GarthB Wed Jan 02, 2008 03:54pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
I'm in Hillsboro...with abuts with Beaverton. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions about the area.
Does Hillsboro still have the "Hillsboro Happy Days" parade? I took a band to it when I taught in California in the summer of 1974, Hillsboro was in the country in those days.

Adam Wed Jan 02, 2008 04:06pm
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Originally Posted by RookieDude
Hillsboro, OR?

I bought my 1994 Harley Fatboy from a guy that lived in Hillsboro, OR in 1998.

The dude hardly ever rode it...in fact, he kept it in his bedroom much of the time.

Those Hillsboro guys are a bunch of "pretty boys". :D
Did he sell it for money to buy a dinette set?

gordon30307 Wed Jan 02, 2008 04:08pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge
Absolutely.

Peace
Call it "good old boy", loyalty to a fault, comfortable with the devil you know etc. etc. you've worked with and seen work men/women scatched your head and wondered how in the hell they get this game? You've worked with or seen work men/women and said to yourself I can't believe so and so won't give them varsity games.

I was at a meeting, camp I don't remember which in which an assignor discussing on how to move up from underclass to varsity said I don't care if someone just moved into the area and did the state tourney final the first year he/she won't get varsity games. Not wanting varsity games from this particular assignor I asked "so if Hugh Hollins (I think that's his name) a NBA Ref moved into the area and wanted to work you wouldn't give him a varsity game. The reply I received ... next question.

Some complaints are legit and some are excuses as much as we want it to be life is not fair. That's just the way it is.

gordon30307 Wed Jan 02, 2008 04:43pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge
Here is what I love about our system. If an assignor likes you, they hire you. Of course they give the song and dance, "If you work my lower level games then you might get a shot......." That is really not true at all. If you can work and you go to camp and prove it, you will get hired if you have talent and someone sees it. I know a few people that transferred in and got varsity games right off the bat. There is nothing preventing someone from getting hired but the assignor and in some cases other officials that ask for a partner to come along. The only thing you might have a hard time to face is getting a playoff game and that is because the state runs that system and decides how much of your experience they will consider in that process. Or the state will decide how long it will take you to get promoted to the top level. And in many cases it takes those individuals a much shorter time to get to the Certified level (the highest level but not a requirement to work post season games). The more and more I read the happier that I am where I am.

Peace
Where's the Appy State Score:D

Just having some fun.

Camron Rust Wed Jan 02, 2008 04:56pm
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Originally Posted by FrankHtown
My favorite T-shirt in Portland said "We don't tan...we rust"
How to you think I got my name! :p


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