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tomegun Thu Dec 13, 2007 06:19pm

Motivation to do the right thing
 
There have been many times where I feel like doing the right thing for the game and requiring sportsmanship at all times has left me vulnerable because it seemed like I was the only one on my crew doing this. I have lived in various states and have had the unfortunate experience of dealing with several players and coaches who forget about sportsmanship once the game begins. I currently live in Mississippi and have been brutalized by some coaches ratings while having a nearly perfect rating from my fellow officials. The gentleman from the state office recently sent out two emails addressing this issue as well as one email sent out by our local assigner. This is the latest email from the state:

As you are aware, the MHSAA has been promoting sportsmanship. One priority for the MHSAA Executive Committee this year is to improve sportsmanship. We have a firm that is directing a sportsmanship campaign throughout the state. The expectations of this campaign are to make sure that the game is played by the rules; and the actions of all participants (administrators, coaches, players, officials and fans) be conducted with good sportsmanship. We expect our coaches and players to play within the rules and respect the officials and their authority.

We also expect the officials to administer the game by the rules and respect the players and coaches. By administering the rules, we expect the officials, administrators, and coaches to appropriately deal with all unsportsmanlike action immediately after it occurs.

At three different events this week, we have had coaches and fans make racial and ethnic remarks directed at officials along with several other unsportsmanlike issues. This type of action is totally unacceptable. Game administrators should take immediate steps to stop this type of conduct. The game official must deal with all unsportsmanlike issues and this is expected of all officials. Be firm and be fair.

When we ignore unsportsmanlike issues, we condone the action.

Let's treat the court and field as an extension of the classroom.

This sort of thing gives me a little motivation to keep on the straight and narrow. Unfortunately for some coach and/or player, I have now been given some backup from the state to (continue to) call all technical fouls for unsporting behavior that are earned.:)

Adam Thu Dec 13, 2007 06:43pm

Have at it, Tom. ;)

tomegun Thu Dec 13, 2007 07:01pm

The assigner called me today and asked me what I thought about his email. I told him it is great to have emails coming out concerning this subject. The onus has now been placed squarely on the shoulders of the officials who have not been handling business.

For the record, not of this has anything to do with me - not directly at least :D . The local problems occurred during a game the assigner was observing where one official called like three well-earned Ts while the other officials needed to "raise a crop of testicles." :D

Rodical Thu Dec 13, 2007 08:55pm

I couldn't agree with you more. Whenever we allow coaches to verbally abuse us, we lose confidence and credibility with other coaches, players and fans. One solid warning is all we need to issue, then deal with unsportsmanlike conduct firmly. If we allow the issues to continue, we stand the chance of losing control of the coaches, the game and our own tempers. Communication with your partners is vital, and a good squad will be united.

truerookie Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:07am

tomegun, your piece is right on!! I have seen situations and discussed situations with more experience officials and the jest of the conversations are, they do not want to receive a bad rating from coaches so they are more inclined to ignore the behavior.

Mark Padgett Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:15am

Ya' know, I've always felt that having coaches rate officials is kind of like having criminals judge the police. :eek:

Mendy Trent Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:41am

Coaches should never have input to official's ratings. It makes official's hesitant to do the right thing for fear of reprisal.

I know a D-3 assignor who was asked by his coaches if they could have some input on the rating of the officials that he assigned. He said, "sure, if you want to hire a new assignor."

refman1964 Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:46am

KINDA OF LIKE? Mark your right on with that statement. Do you think many of them actually wait to cool off before putting pen to paper?

tomegun Fri Dec 14, 2007 08:07am

I would bet money that most of them take their frustration out via ratings - I'm an example of that. The coach I asked is a younger guy, he is in his first year and I've never officiated his team before. I just so happened to be doing game on a day where he was there but not coaching. If all these things wouldn't have aligned, I wouldn't have even asked him.

kmw Fri Dec 14, 2007 08:23am

I agree
 
with the message of sportsmanship. I live in KY and there is one association/one assignor for my region. Coaches DO RATE officials every February, with the top 40 being assigned Varsity contests the following year. Top 20 earns you a tournament spot. With that said, I can now see where the dilemna is between officials rating their co-workers and coaches rating officials . As frustrating as it is in my situation - there are times where I have seen officials pass on taking care of the business because of the "Scratch" List. UGHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Frankly, when I take care of the business and get scratched, it means that I have done my job and the coach is being punitive.

bob jenkins Fri Dec 14, 2007 09:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun
other officials needed to "raise a crop of testicles." :D

Shouldn't that be "drop a crop of testicles?"

Back In The Saddle Fri Dec 14, 2007 01:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun
I would bet money that most of them take their frustration out via ratings - I'm an example of that. The coach I asked is a younger guy, he is in his first year and I've never officiated his team before. I just so happened to be doing game on a day where he was there but not coaching. If all these things wouldn't have aligned, I wouldn't have even asked him.

The issue of coaches rating officials has come up in our state this year. In talking with other officials about it, I learned that we tried something similar a few years back. The experiment went about like you'd expect. The overwhelming majority of the ratings that came in were negative. Assuming that these were largely a result of coaches venting frustration, they changed the policy the following year to require coaches to let 48 hours pass and to view the game film before submitting ratings for officials. The ratings almost completely dried up.

I understand coaches wanting to rate officials. Officials are the one thing in their games that they cannot control. They want to get the "bad" ones out of there. But how do you allow them to have input in a way that does not allow them to abuse the system?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Dec 14, 2007 01:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Shouldn't that be "drop a crop of testicles?"



ROFLMAO!! :D

MTD, Sr.

rockyroad Fri Dec 14, 2007 02:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Shouldn't that be "drop a crop of testicles?"

Again, Big Bob comes in with a winner! Man, you are on a roll this winter.:p

RSmith Fri Dec 14, 2007 02:49pm

Relief - somewhat
 
Good timing on sharing the email. I am a 1st year ref and did a game last night... I'm sure I missed a call or two... but home coach barked at almost every whistle. This in turn let the crowd into getting nasty. In the 4th quarter, I went to the table to report a foul... he came clear to the table - got in my face - and said "I'm glad to see you can blow that whistle - I though you swallowed it along with a few other comments about calls. As I Td him up - he yelled out that he also knew that I would end up giving him a technical. He gave me no choice - but last night and today I was beginning to wonder... until I read your piece.
:mad:

Adam Fri Dec 14, 2007 02:56pm

Where was your partner? He shoulda given him his 2nd one for the last comment. Short that, I'd have given him his ticket to the locker room myself.

Back In The Saddle Fri Dec 14, 2007 03:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSmith
Good timing on sharing the email. I am a 1st year ref and did a game last night... I'm sure I missed a call or two... but home coach barked at almost every whistle. This in turn let the crowd into getting nasty. In the 4th quarter, I went to the table to report a foul... he came clear to the table - got in my face - and said "I'm glad to see you can blow that whistle - I though you swallowed it along with a few other comments about calls. As I Td him up - he yelled out that he also knew that I would end up giving him a technical. He gave me no choice - but last night and today I was beginning to wonder... until I read your piece.
:mad:

Coaches will give you exactly as much crap as you allow them to. The coach has one role to play during the game, and that his to coach his team. If this coach was truly barking on every whistle, it needed to be addressed within the first couple of minutes of the game. And if you're concerned that no single act by that coach "crossed the line" then have a look at the PPP philosophy some posters have shared this year. Or or dearly departed Chuck Elias' ABS philosophy.

But defintely don't wait until the 4th quarter to take care of business.

Bearfanmike20 Fri Dec 14, 2007 03:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSmith
Good timing on sharing the email. I am a 1st year ref and did a game last night... I'm sure I missed a call or two... but home coach barked at almost every whistle. This in turn let the crowd into getting nasty. In the 4th quarter, I went to the table to report a foul... he came clear to the table - got in my face - and said "I'm glad to see you can blow that whistle - I though you swallowed it along with a few other comments about calls. As I Td him up - he yelled out that he also knew that I would end up giving him a technical. He gave me no choice - but last night and today I was beginning to wonder... until I read your piece.
:mad:

I have yet to adminster a T. But I have yet to be questioned by a coach either.

Ive had little comments.. like..

"wheres the count"

or

"he got hacked"

I just ignor it.. never has a coach ever confronted me.... yet LOL

inigo montoya Fri Dec 14, 2007 03:41pm

I absolutely hate it when a coach actually DOES know the rules for a 3-second violation BUT has a quick count, and yells "3 seconds!" when I'm at about 2 and a half. Now if I blow the whistle, I look like I'm just responding to or favoring the coach.

Back In The Saddle Fri Dec 14, 2007 03:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by inigo montoya
I absolutely hate it when a coach actually DOES know the rules for a 3-second violation BUT has a quick count, and yells "3 seconds!" when I'm at about 2 and a half. Now if I blow the whistle, I look like I'm just responding to or favoring the coach.

I'm sorry, Coach. I was at 2 1/2, but your hollering distracted me and so I had to start over. ;)

Bearfanmike20 Fri Dec 14, 2007 03:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
I'm sorry, Coach. I was at 2 1/2, but your hollering distracted me and so I had to start over. ;)

Would you actually say somthing like this.. seriously??

Adam Fri Dec 14, 2007 04:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
Would you actually say somthing like this.. seriously??

No, but it's extremely tempting.

TheOracle Fri Dec 14, 2007 04:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
Would you actually say somthing like this.. seriously??

If BITS had credibility established with the coach, he could say that and the coach would laugh and leave him alone. If you are certain that humor will be accepted the right way, it's a great tool. Shows that you are human to coaches and players.

Back In The Saddle Fri Dec 14, 2007 04:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
No, but it's extremely tempting.

Exactly.

tomegun Fri Dec 14, 2007 05:37pm

Tonight I'm working with the assigner in which has historically been a rivalry game. This is my second year here and second year doing this game - that pisses some people off. To me the primary importance is the home team's gym is literally about four minutes from my door.
Both coaches have a history of throwing pot shots at officials and both can lose control of their team. We shall see how this turns out.

Oh, my other partner is the former assigner. Good times.

Adam Fri Dec 14, 2007 05:55pm

Let us know how it goes, Tom.

bob jenkins Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
Would you actually say somthing like this.. seriously??

I've said, "I was counting and it was close. If you yell it out, it makes it look like you called it for me. I'll get it when it's there."

Jurassic Referee Sat Dec 15, 2007 05:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
But I have yet to be questioned by a coach either.

Ive had little comments.. like..

"wheres the count"

or

"he got hacked"

Gee, I hate to have to be the one to break it to you....but....you <b>are</b> being questioned.:)

tomegun Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:12am

The game I had went OK. I'm a perfectionist so no game is good enough for me. The home coach began to beg for stuff when his boys started to get beat in the fourth quarter. The game was back and forth until then. He has one player that he can't control - he took him out of the game and tried to pat him on the back/butt as he walked by, the player was pissed and avoided the coach. I gave the same player a T the last time I had them.
I hate it when the game is managed well, both teams are playing through some things and then the coach/team on the losing end begin to direct blame at the end of the game. What's more alarming is when your partners -the assigner and former assigner - are oblivious to it.
Finally, the kicker is the fact that there is a boys round robin tournament today at another high school. Yep, you guessed it, I have the same team tonight. I said something to the assigner about it after our game. I don't necessarily agree with having the same team two days in a row when they lost last night. Don't get me wrong, they will get the best of what I have to give, but I don't really know if they would want to see me so soon.


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