Whistle to end quarter?
 

Sorry if this has been discussed previously. NFHS rules. Should an official sound a whistle at the end of the quarter or end of game? I've seen it done. I've seen it not done. Can't find a reference in current officials manual. I'll hang up now and listen to your response....

Not sure if it is in the manual or not, but I/my partners have done it in every game (high school at least) that I can remember....

I only blow it at end of game and only after the final horn. Not at end of quarters.

i've been told at camps to only blow the whistle at the end of qtr/half if you need to wave off an attempt that happened after the horn, otherwise, let it go. no need to call attention to yourself for something as obvious as the period ending. if the bucket went and counts, everybody is already going to be looking at you to see what your signal is.

I haven't been told specifically what to do at the end of the quarter, however, I have noticed most officials in my area sounding the whistle at the end of each quarter...curious to know what other officials do as well.

I whistle it.

Hmmm, interesting. I am searching the officials manual now for clarification.

I blow the whistle every time (when I am responsible for this). I have never been involved in a big discussion about this one way or another. I believe most people I work with also blow the whistle.

Peace

I am with Rut, I blow at the end of quarter, start of a new quarter and at the end of the game.

I do not unless a try was late and near the buzzer sounding.

I agree with this. The horn ends the period. If nothing is happening at the end of the period, there's no need for a whistle. In fact, a whistle could just confuse things by making people think you have a call.

The only time I'll whistle at the end of the period is I'm waving off a shot.

When I'm responsible, I whistle every time unless there's a "foul or violation so near the end of the period that the timer cna't stop the clock in time" (or whatever the specific wording is. In that event, the whistle for the foul or violation is used (and if there are FTs, of course the whistle doesn't end the period).

I've been at caps where there's been lots of discussion on this, with no resolution. I seem to recall that it's now specifically in the NCAAW manual to blow the whistle.

If that is the concern, I have never had that problem in all the years I have been officiating. Also when the quarter is over, I also wave my hands to signify the quarter, half or game is over. I have never had anyone not know what I or my partners were calling at the end of the game. Also during quarter and half breaks, there is a shot of some kind coming at the end of the period.

Peace

Exactly I wave also - nothing really to be confused about if you are waving your hands either in front of you or over your head...

If you are going to whistle at the end of a quarter, I think it's appropriate to wave the hands as a signal. Many people look to the official when his/her whistle is sounded and to do nothing except start walking somewhere is not good communication.

You're probably right, in that confusion is not a huge worry. But the whistle is also not necessary, since the horn has already signified the end of the period.

I think this is probably a tomato/tomahto thing.

You will not find anything about it in the NFHS manuals. It's a commonly accepted practice (at least around here) but it is not in the books anywhere. I think the only ruleset that addresses having a whistle at the end of every period is NCAA-W.

I must have misread something. There is actually a practice that is accepted that is not addressed in the NFHS Manual? Someone is going to be very upset that you said this.

Peace

Yeah...where is Nevada today?

But isn't that why we have a horn blow? If we blow the whistle every time, why not just do away with the horn? I don't know, it just seems redundant to me.

We blow the whistle to end every quarter. Yes, we use NCAAW rules but we also tell the girls to play the whistle, not the horn. Just to prevent any confusion, the whistle goes also.

It acts as just one final clarifier that the period has ended...that there is no "continuation" of a shot, no foul, no anything...not sure how you would do away with a horn, that is how they make 'em!

The horn lets everyone know a shot cannot be completed. The horn does not automatically end anything. The horn might sound and you still have to put time on the clock or you could have something else take place or have a penalty enforced. For example I called an intentional foul near the end of the game. My whistle was almost simultaneous with the horn. The official responsible for the last second shot told me the horn went off first and that my foul was technically after the horn. I had already given a signal for the Intentional Foul and I was not paying attention to the horn. We got together and we decided the quarter was over and the foul was not going to change the outcome of the game (10 point win). We blew the whistle and waved our hands to the table and we walked off. If we have just relied on the horn and the game was closer where FTs would have made a difference, we still would have had to shoot FTs and the game would not be over until all the FTs were completed. The horn does not end the game.

Peace

Don't know about Jayhawkland, but here in Washington State the girls HS has a 30 second shot clock, so there are lots of horns during games. The players are taught to play to the whistle, not necessarily the horn as there are usually several (sometimes LOTS) of wrong shot-clock horns. That's why we have a whistle along with the horn at the end of each period.

I understand and agree, I'm just arguing against the need to blow it EVERY time we have an end of qtr/half. I guess I meant to infer that it goes without saying that you blow the whistle and wave off a shot that may be close.

What if the winning team just inbounds the ball with five seconds left in the game/qtr and stands alone in the backcourt and lets time expire. What good does a whistle do in that scenario?

At least in my area (D/FW, Texas) its recommended the official who's responsible for the clock blows the whistle to end the quarter. I've been told this at multiple camps. Maybe we just like blowing the whistle, judging by the previous 'entering the court whistle' thread.

Doesn't do any "good" necessarily, but blowing it EVERY time just gives you consistency...I can't really argue that this practice is absolutely, 100% necessary, it is just another one of "those things" that I and many others have made habit, it doesn't hurt/hinder the game, and there are ocassions where it helps....

I would only say that in a HS game you have 4 times (unless you live in Minnesota) to have last second shots. At least 3 of those times consistency have an attempt to shoot a shot near or at the buzzer. And it is not just about the shot that is committed, it is also the put backs. Blowing the whistle in my opinion makes it clear all the action is over and it supplements the horn. Are there times when the whistle might not be need? Of course, but I blow the whistle every time to at the very least acknowledge I heard the horn and I know the quarter/half/game is over.

I blow the whistle and wave off any other action. ;)

Peace

Waving your hands is not one of the 38 official NFHS signals.

You're going to Hell.

Sue me.

Peace

Look at the good news, Rut, you'll be able to ref with Jurassic.

I have been told at several clinics and association meetings that a whistle should sound at the end of every quarter, and that it should be accompanied by on open hand, just like a violation. The only exception would be to wave-off or count the basket, in which case the appropriate signal should go with the whistle.

Worse. I told Nevada.:eek:

OMG!!!!! http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...illy_nilly.gif

Peace

You're going to Hell.

That's funny. I always wondered what happened if you used unapproved mecahanics.

During our pregame, my partner and I go over who watches the clock at the end of the period, depending on the situation (where the ball is at etc). We also use a signal to remind each other who is doing what. Whoever has the clock, blows there whistle at the end of the quarter.

Alright, GAW, you owe me a new screen!!

I thin the horn is so you don't have to watch the clock and you can watch the action on the court.

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What Rut said!

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I blow the whistle every time (when I am responsible for this). I have never been involved in a big discussion about this one way or another. I believe most people I work with also blow the whistle.

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>An official who does these unnecessary and showy things gives the impression that he wants to make sure that everyone sees him. He wants to be the center of attention. It's indicative of having a big ego.
Also most people who engage in this are football officials who can't mentally separate the different sports.

My opinion about how to handle this properly was expressed by Scrapper and also appears in a recent thread on the NFHS forum.

http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...;f=11;t=001577

Diet Pepsi burns like you wouldn't believe when it comes squirting out your nose! :eek:

I blow at the end of every quarter. I also blow on incoming subs and all throw-ins from the end line in front court. But you're wrong. Very, very wrong. I have a little tiny "ego," practically microscopic, and my unnecessary and showy whistle blowing is my way of compensating. Kind of like driving a really fast car or a great big pickup truck. Or getting a law degree.

Like Grail I was taught to use a simple stop the clock signal, unless I'm actually waiving off a shot.

Why do you feel the need to employ NCAA womens mechanics in an NFHS game? :(

It has a lot to do with that around here many of the summer officiating camps, including those put on by the UHSAA, are run by a former D1 women's official and current college assigner, and his second-in-command, so to speak, at these camps is a current women's official. When in Rome...

Oddly enough, this clinician is the same person who introduced me to the phrase, "The whistle is an irritant." He obviously finds no contradiction between that statement and requiring a whistle on all subs, etc.

In my experience, whistling in any of these situations (end of quarter, subs, end line throw-in) does not draw attention to the referee at all. It merely draws attention to the situation. And if somebody sometime looks to the referee to see what the whistle is about, what will he see the referee doing? Pretty much exactly what you'd expect the referee to do in that situation: brining in a sub, administering a throw-in, etc. Pretty showy, huh?

I can truthfully say that I've never had a partner, evaluator, coach, player, fan, AD, PA announcer, bookkeeper, trumpt player, grandmother in the third row, or hot dog vendor make any comment whatsoever about my having a whistle in one of these situations. So it can't be drawing too much undue attention.

Or, the person is following the standard in his / her area and to do otherwise would be drawing attention to himself.


Support, please.

IOW:

1) It's not covered in the FED mechanics book

2) Reasonable people can disagree on what "should" be done.

3) Different areas have different "reasonable people" in charge

4) So, different areas do it differently.

5) You're entitled to your opinion.

6) As for the rest of it, KITFO.

Evidently, I'm not allowed to express it though. If you deleted my last two responses, that bullsh!t.

Rut can sling insults at me and I can't respond? :mad:

The first post contained three serious questions for BITS, now deleting that one wasn't right at all.

1) I also delete his posts when required.

2) If your post only contained the three questions, it wouldn't have been deleted.

Well since you just went back and deleted his last post, I now have to consider it just, but when I wrote that you had only deleted mine. That upset me.

3 questions for BITS:
1. Are the camps run by the D1 womens folks intended to be instructional HS camps or tryout camps for college?
2. Are you saying that due to the time you spent at these camps this summer your end line whistle for the HS season is now a habit?
3. If we apply your logic of 'the extraneous whistle doesn't matter because people just notice the official doing what he is supposed to be doing' to the following would you think it is okay too?
Every time the official arrives at the reporting area he sounds the whistle prior to speaking to the table. What do you think of that?

No whistle unless one is needed to signal basket or no basket. The horn ends the 1/4. Our association does not recognize a need to blow a whistle after the horn has already went off. As stated before, it only draws attention to the refs, and can cause confusion concerning whether there is a foul or not.

Thank you. :)

1. Some are one; some are the other. But you know how it goes. Every camp he puts on is a tryout camp in somebody's mind ;)

2. Yes. It became habit pretty quickly. And I've found no reason to try and break these habits.

3. I'll try it and let you know how it goes. ;)

You left out:

7) Who gives a sh!t anyway?

I will take "Who gives a sh!t" for 1000 Alex. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...mages/clap.gif

Peace

Cross-reference the thread about "jumping out of bounds" to make a pass.

Place all in folder marked "Paralysis Through Analysis." Or alternatively "Silly Monkeys."

I'm along with a few others here. For HS, I don't whistle the end, even to wave off or score the goal. Only time is whistle at the end of a period is if there is a foul, and MAYBE a violation.

End of Qtr./Game Whistle
 

NFHS Rule 5-8-2d

We all know that the horn is information only for substitution purposes, and we have a specific procedure we go through to allow substitutes to enter the game.

We also tell players to ignore horns when the ball is live. It is not the responsibility of the players to judge the status of the ball at the end of the period, or when there could have been an inadvertant horn.

The horn is information that time has run out of the quarter. Officials determine if there is any foul/violation/tap/try that has to be judged on before the quarter actually ends.

Since players are conditioned to stop play when they hear a whistle, the responsible official should sound their whistle to get the players attention to prevent further/unecessary play.

Also sounding your whistle right away and waving off a tap or try provides immediate information of your ruling.

Don't resurrect old threads.