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mrmotivation Tue Dec 04, 2007 03:08pm

I felt weird
 
First for me last Friday.

Small town school. Girls Varsity game.

The announce the visiting teams' starting line-up and they run out there and stand in their line.

Then they announce the home teams' starting line-up and they each run out, come shake our hands, then go shake the hands of the visiting teams' player.

Of course, while they are doing this...we can't NOT put a hand out to shake because we would look like turds, but at the same time you have the visiting over there looking like, "Ohhhhhhhhhhh great.........the hometown hero's are doing our game tonight!"

Needless to say, we were each 1.5 hours from that town so that wasn't the deal, but I can about imagine what people were thinking when they saw it.

Even though we were being good sports, it just made me feel weird with only one team doing it and that being the home team.

Back In The Saddle Tue Dec 04, 2007 03:13pm

Just so long as they don't call you "Uncle Bob" you're probably okay. :eek:

icallfouls Tue Dec 04, 2007 03:38pm

Try telling the players "No thanks, I am full." :)

To be serious, when this situation arises, try to re-introduce yourself to the table crew instead, or start taking your jacket off, or whatever works. With your back to the players, they might realize that you are busy and move on.

If it is something that really bothers you, bring it up in the pre-game, and discuss how the crew would prefer to handle it.

Like you said though, don't be a turd about it.

Bearfanmike20 Tue Dec 04, 2007 03:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by icallfouls
Try telling the players "No thanks, I am full." :)

To be serious, when this situation arises, try to re-introduce yourself to the table crew instead, or start taking your jacket off, or whatever works. With your back to the players, they might realize that you are busy and move on.

If it is something that really bothers you, bring it up in the pre-game, and discuss how the crew would prefer to handle it.

Like you said though, don't be a turd about it.

Ot take the time to go shake the hands of the other team. That shoule ease any issues.

Rufus Tue Dec 04, 2007 03:52pm

After being out of officiating for about 8 years, I was very surprised that during introductions the players from both teams came out during introductions, did their typical dance with team-mates while getting psyched up for the game, went to shake the opposing coach's hand, then came over and gave fist bumps to the officials. All-in-all I thought it was pretty neat, to be honest, though like I said, unexpected. This happened in a sub-varsity game but I've sat through a couple of varsity games and seen the same thing.

icallfouls Tue Dec 04, 2007 04:06pm

If I remember correctly, there is a specific directive in NCAA that officials are not supposed to shake/bump hands for the very reason that it gives the appearance of favoritism if only one team engages in this practice.

Since Ms. Struckoff also sits on the NFHS Board, I would be inclined to say that this will soon be passed down to the HS level.

MadCityRef Tue Dec 04, 2007 04:55pm

In Wisconsin we're not allowed to shake players' hands at intros.
In the past I have had this happen, and it caused me some consternation as well. I kept the "shake" to grasp and a soft "good luck". I tried to show the other team it wasn't my idea, nor was it welcome.

Scrapper1 Tue Dec 04, 2007 05:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by icallfouls
If I remember correctly, there is a specific directive in NCAA that officials are not supposed to shake/bump hands for the very reason that it gives the appearance of favoritism if only one team engages in this practice.

I've not heard of this directive. Do you have a reference that I could look at?

kbilla Tue Dec 04, 2007 05:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadCityRef
In Wisconsin we're not allowed to shake players' hands at intros.
In the past I have had this happen, and it caused me some consternation as well. I kept the "shake" to grasp and a soft "good luck". I tried to show the other team it wasn't my idea, nor was it welcome.

This to me seems a little silly...it is obvious that you aren't going out looking for anybody's hands to shake...it is right out in the open, who the heck cares?!?!? I can't imagine the other team would care less - if they did their coach could always start doing the same thing the next game! File this under things that officials worry about (with good reason or not) that we have no business worrying about! Fits right in there somewhere around 3.5...

rainmaker Tue Dec 04, 2007 09:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmotivation
Needless to say, we were each 1.5 hours from that town so that wasn't the deal, but I can about imagine what people were thinking when they saw it.

Even though we were being good sports, it just made me feel weird with only one team doing it and that being the home team.

Personally, I feel weirder when the winning team comes over AFTER the game and shakes the refs hands. I HATE THAT!!

jer166 Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:31pm

Simple courtesy never hurts anyone. If they come over to shake hands then shake their hand, if it's a fist bump then do it and get on with the game. It shouldn't be a big deal. About half the teams around here do one or the other.

Back In The Saddle Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:35pm

My only real issue with the handshake thing is that heaven only knows where these little germ magnets hands have been. I prefer a fist bump if I can get away with it.

rainmaker Wed Dec 05, 2007 01:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
My only real issue with the handshake thing is that heaven only knows where these little germ magnets hands have been. I prefer a fist bump if I can get away with it.

Wow. you're right there! I never thought about it, until my little guy went onto some serious immuno-suppression as a treatment for his kidney disease. Doctors warned us not to shake hands lest we bring something home. Fists it was, from then on!

HawkeyeCubP Wed Dec 05, 2007 01:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I've not heard of this directive. Do you have a reference that I could look at?

It's in the current Women's Officials' Manual - I believe somewhere in the "pre-game" section.

Nevadaref Wed Dec 05, 2007 03:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus
After being out of officiating for about 8 years, I was very surprised that during introductions the players from both teams came out during introductions, did their typical dance with team-mates while getting psyched up for the game, went to shake the opposing coach's hand, then came over and gave fist bumps to the officials. All-in-all I thought it was pretty neat, to be honest, though like I said, unexpected. This happened in a sub-varsity game but I've sat through a couple of varsity games and seen the same thing.

That is exactly what happens in ALL of our games around here at the Varsity level. It started a few years ago and has become the norm.


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