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KingTripleJump Mon Dec 03, 2007 03:00pm

What is your daytime job?
 
As I keep moving up the ladder, I'm finding it harder to find a job that offers great pay, benefits, etc and will let me off all the days/nights I need for officiating. (This is mostly pertaining to college ball, not really high school.) I have a few friends who do D1 and some of them are teachers, insurance salesmen, or they own their own business. (And 1 of them just refs full time.)

So what is it that you do that allows you to get to games that are a few hours, perhaps even states, away?

jdw3018 Mon Dec 03, 2007 03:05pm

Well, I don't do college ball (yet, hopefully), but I run my own business as a strategic consultant and management trainer. Best of every world for me - I'm doing something I love for a "real job" and I have the flexibility to be off whenever I want as long as I take care of my clients.

just another ref Mon Dec 03, 2007 03:07pm

Not sure, but I think Padgett is President of the United States.

(if not, he oughta be)

KingTripleJump Mon Dec 03, 2007 03:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw3018
Well, I don't do college ball (yet, hopefully), but I run my own business as a strategic consultant and management trainer. Best of every world for me - I'm doing something I love for a "real job" and I have the flexibility to be off whenever I want as long as I take care of my clients.


What exactly is that?

How'd you get started?

TheOracle Mon Dec 03, 2007 03:12pm

I'm an attorney. If you run your own business, it makes it easier to be available. Lots of teachers working the highest levels. You just have to have supportive managers if you work for a company and want to have time to officiate. Think about how many marriages/families suffer. All assignors will tell you that officiating is a personal sacrifice. You need to make those decisions for yourself.

jdw3018 Mon Dec 03, 2007 03:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingTripleJump
What exactly is that?

How'd you get started?

My wife would like to know the answer, too. :D Basically I'm a free-lancer for smaller businesses that want to do professional development and strategic planning for their own business, but don't necessarily have the expertise internally. I work mainly with businesses with 50-500 employees.

I do a lot of training - communication, conflict resolution, leadership, teamwork, sales, customer service, etc. Also do strategic planning and organizational assessment.

There are a number of options out there for getting into the business. I am affiliated with a company that supplies my curriculum for training classes and have a friend who started this business years ago who is a partner and mentor.

Mark Padgett Mon Dec 03, 2007 03:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref
Not sure, but I think Padgett is President of the United States.

(if not, he oughta be)

Sorry - couldn't take the pay cut. Plus - there's not enough notoriety. ;)

Actually, I'm the captain of the US Olympic Sarcasm Team. It doesn't pay much but I get to insult the French a lot. Not that it's difficult. :D

Damian Mon Dec 03, 2007 03:26pm

I'm a computer nerd
 
I wrote custom software for Lotus Note and Domino. I work out of the house or at some clients location. Been doing it for 12 yrs, so I can pick and choose my hours. My schedulers say its a dream for them.

cmckenna Mon Dec 03, 2007 03:48pm

I am a IT Project Manager for a large healthcare insurance company. We have some degree of flexibility here in that we can come in at 7 and leave at 3:30 or we can do 8 - 4 and stuff like that. Some of the people I work with do 6:30 to 2:30.

What I usually do is work out with my assignor what physical locations I can get to for a 5:30 start if I leave work at 4:00 (most JV in our area start at 5:30) Most V contests are at 7:00 and I can be anywhere in our coverage area in plenty of time for those, even if I leave work late.

While not the greatest availability, I do manage to average about 25 - 30 board assigned games a year. CT is an IAABO state so our board only has a small part of the state to cover (Litchfield cty). And we have a lot of prep schools that play Saturdays.

DonInKansas Mon Dec 03, 2007 04:09pm

I don't have a day job.

I work the overnight shift as a 911 Dispatcher for the county.

Not the most glamorous job, but working 11p-7a usually doesn't give me much problems with working games.:)

Dan_ref Mon Dec 03, 2007 04:37pm

Doesn't matter what my day job is...but everytime I go to a tryout camp the director tells me I shouldn't quit it.

http://blog.leopadron.com/uploads/e7..._sadbanana.gif

IREFU2 Mon Dec 03, 2007 04:40pm

IT Manager
 
I am an IT Manager. I work in an attorneys office, so I can pretty much come and go as I please. I dont abuse it, but I make sure my work is done. I am not on the College Level yet, but hoping to be there by next year.

Rev.Ref63 Mon Dec 03, 2007 04:56pm

I am a pastor, which gives me tremendous flexibility. My church people are very supportive and understanding of this avenue for supplemental income.

TimTaylor Mon Dec 03, 2007 06:42pm

Engineer...specialize in reliability, process optimization and energy efficiency.

bigdog5142 Mon Dec 03, 2007 07:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev.Ref63
I am a pastor, which gives me tremendous flexibility. My church people are very supportive and understanding of this avenue for supplemental income.

I'm a youth pastor...which gives me a lot of flexability. I know students and most of the high schools I officiate in...it is useful for me to get to know the administrators of schools. I just hope I do a good job so it's not a BAD impression! :) My church people are also very supportive.

26 Year Gap Mon Dec 03, 2007 07:47pm

I am a Mortgage Company branch manager.

JugglingReferee Mon Dec 03, 2007 08:16pm

I work for Harris Corporation and develop graphics systems for the broadcast industry.

It is Harris that you see at the beginning of every tournament game. :)

26 Year Gap Mon Dec 03, 2007 08:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
I work for Harris Corporation and develop graphics systems for the broadcast industry.

It is Harris that you see at the beginning of every tournament game. :)

I thought that was Diebler.

JugglingReferee Mon Dec 03, 2007 09:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
I thought that was Diebler.

I think Harris is John's middle name. :)

refnrev Mon Dec 03, 2007 09:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimTaylor
Engineer...specialize in reliability, process optimization and energy efficiency.

_________________________

I thought you had a TV SHow sponsored by Binford tools?:confused:

refnrev Mon Dec 03, 2007 09:23pm

The name tells it all. United Methodist, to be more specific.

Raymond Mon Dec 03, 2007 09:29pm

not that I'll ever make it to that level, but if I did earn a regular college schedule it would be a very hard juggle with work. I'm a federal employee who works a regular 8-5. And just by cooincidence my boss's boss used to officiate and gave it up for his federal career. He was no longer officiating by the time I met him but he was doing state play-off games and was a top-5 camper at the ACC camp back in the mid-90's. But he gave up officiating cold turkey and has no regrets.

But just as difficult would be coordinating the schedule I have with my kids. I have a teen-ager who lives with me full-time except for every other weekend and I have 9-year old who is with my 6 out of every 14 days.

zebraman Mon Dec 03, 2007 09:32pm

Another computer geek here.

I work a 4X10 schedule and I telecommute one day so I only go into work 3 days per week. I can flex my schedule to start as early as I want (and therefore leave as early as I want) on the days that I do go in to the office.

I am lucky because my manager is a dream to work for and knows how much I love to ref. I work a little extra during the summer months and I get lots of leeway between November and March.

Nevadaref Mon Dec 03, 2007 09:37pm

Come on guys, Padgett has been retired for a long time now, but back in his younger days he served as a trail guide in the Pacific Northwest. ;)

rainmaker Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:03pm

Housewife here. It may sound like it would be easy to juggle the schedule, but it's been surprising how troublesome it can be, especially with little kids.

At the point where I might have started into the college routine, my youngest was very ill, in and out of the hospital, and I knew for sure I couldn't commit to the kind of availability a college (even JUCO) assignor would want. That was a very difficult decision for me to make, but I haven't been sorry. Kid definitely more important than long drives in the rain and snow to earn $100 bucks getting shrieked at, and the the long drive home. I didn't know if I was good enough to move much above that, and just wasn't willing to risk my family relationships.

I was right to make that decision, kid needed lots and lots of attention for a couple or three years. He's doing better now, since we have finally found a drug that has stabilized his condition without a lot of bad side effects. But we still never know when the effectiveness of the drug will wear off, and we'll be back to swelling, drug reactions, vomiting and dashes to the emergency room.

I will never be able to do college, which in some ways is a good excuse, since I really wasn't sure they'd ever want me!

Mark Dexter Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:06pm

Medical student (decided to finally come out and admit it). There's a reason I won't be doing much reffing over the next few years.

BBUMP99 Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:23pm

I'm a high school senior...I must say I have the best "job"(if officiating is considered a job) out of any of my friends...most of them work at McDonalds for 8 bucks an hour...I can go work a HS game or a couple of middle school or rec games in two or three hours and make twice what they make in an entire evening or two at their jobs...You can't beat it

swkansasref33 Tue Dec 04, 2007 01:30am

I started officiating MS and HS basketball as a High School senior too! I was on the court 6 of 7 days of the week, the whole season, and did 150+ basketball games! I did Rec ball on the weekends, and MS and HS during the Week! now I am a part time employee @ The Home(o) Depot, and a full time college student.
Im pretty disappointed though, because in like 34 days, I will be transferring schools, and will not be able to ref at all next half, because I will be playing baseball. I gave up one love, for another!

mrmotivation Tue Dec 04, 2007 02:02am

I felt weird.
 
Sorry........posted this inside the thread instead of making a new post.


I am a business owner. In fact, I own two businesses. This allows me to do a doubleheader at noon and a doubleheader at night during softball season. It also allows me to do 5-6 nights a week of basketball.

Camron Rust Tue Dec 04, 2007 04:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmotivation
First for me last Friday.

Small town school. Girls Varsity game.

The announce the visiting teams' starting line-up and they run out there and stand in their line.

Then they announce the home teams' starting line-up and they each run out, come shake our hands, then go shake the hands of the visiting teams' player.

Of course, while they are doing this...we can't NOT put a hand out to shake because we would look like turds, but at the same time you have the visiting over there looking like, "Ohhhhhhhhhhh great.........the hometown hero's are doing our game tonight!"

Needless to say, we were each 1.5 hours from that town so that wasn't the deal, but I can about imagine what people were thinking when they saw it.

Even though we were being good sports, it just made me feel weird with only one team doing it and that being the home team.

Don't worry about that....there are enough teams that do it on a regular basis that the team that chose not to do so will not even consider it an issue...they probably see just as many visiting teams do it when they're come to their own gym.

Camron Rust Tue Dec 04, 2007 04:20am

My daytime job...electrical/computer engineer. Can leave a little early sometimes, but rarely. Traveling much more than 1 hour to a game (7:30 start, 6:30 arrival, 5:30 departure from work) is really out of the question for anything but a weekend.

jkumpire Tue Dec 04, 2007 07:11am

Like Refnrev...
 
I too am a member of the clergy, plus whatever else I can do to make another penny or two!

Ref in PA Tue Dec 04, 2007 08:58am

I am a computer consultant. My hours can be flexible when need be. I have told my assignors that I can only do one early game a week. I aspire to be the best HS ref I can, however, I do not want to college. I have worked a couple of college games and just do not like it as much. My brother, who is also a ref, is an Anesthesiologist, who has cushy hours (7-2) except for the days he takes call.

mbyron Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:19am

I am a member of the Saudi royal family, which leaves me plenty of free time for officiating.

Here's a portion of a recent family photo. I'm two rows in, third from right.

http://caledoniyya.files.wordpress.c...g-abdullah.jpg

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron
I am a member of the Saudi royal family, which leaves me plenty of free time for officiating.

Here's a portion of a recent family photo. I'm two rows in, third from right.

http://caledoniyya.files.wordpress.c...g-abdullah.jpg

Hmmmmmm........

I can't remember the name but the fez is familiar.

Mark Padgett Tue Dec 04, 2007 01:05pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Hmmmmmm........

I can't remember the name but the fez is familiar.

OUTSTANDING!! :)

Mark Padgett Tue Dec 04, 2007 01:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Come on guys, Padgett has been retired for a long time now, but back in his younger days he served as a trail guide in the Pacific Northwest. ;)

Actually, I go back a lot farther than that. I was the trail guide through the Red Sea. I helped that young whipper-snapper, Moses, find his way but he took all the credit.

That's me, carrying the scoop behind the camels.

http://abrahamonaona.files.wordpress...007/03/003.jpg

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Dec 04, 2007 01:10pm

College instructor here. I always try to make sure our program schedule is set so I can sneak out of here early enough on some days. Some semesters it works, some it doesn't.

mbyron Tue Dec 04, 2007 02:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Actually, I go back a lot farther than that. I was the trail guide through the Red Sea. I helped that young whipper-snapper, Moses, find his way but he took all the credit.

Next time, if you want the credit, YOU write the book.

bigdog5142 Tue Dec 04, 2007 03:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron
Next time, if you want the credit, YOU write the book.

The inspration of God Himself can be a hard thing to force! ;)

Mark Padgett Tue Dec 04, 2007 03:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron
Next time, if you want the credit, YOU write the book.

Next time, I will. I didn't go to Hebrew school for six years for nothing. :)

Terrapins Fan Tue Dec 04, 2007 03:52pm

I own my own business have for nearly 30 years.

I get a 3 month vacation each year and I take it to referee basketball. True story.

It's called seasonal work. I am off from Dec 15th to March 15th.

SDRef Tue Dec 04, 2007 03:55pm

I'm a meteorologist with the National Weather Service. Lots of calls about travel conditions when the weather turns 'interesting'.

Bearfanmike20 Tue Dec 04, 2007 04:01pm

Wow.. you all have some good jobs.

I'm an admin assistant. Nothing special. Working on my A+ cert so I can become an IT technician.

I got bankers hours so getting game is hard since I'm just starting out.

Rich Tue Dec 04, 2007 04:22pm

I am a traveling consultant, which means I load up the schedule 2 years in advance and then turn back about a third of my games. So far, no real problems as I always find substitutes on my own.

I don't even start until next week as I've been in California all but one day since last Monday.

First game is 3-person girls, next Tuesday.

mbyron Tue Dec 04, 2007 04:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Next time, I will. I didn't go to Hebrew school for six years for nothing. :)

No, I imagine not. What did it cost you? ;)

wmblue Tue Dec 04, 2007 05:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonInKansas
I don't have a day job.

I work the overnight shift as a 911 Dispatcher for the county.

Not the most glamorous job, but working 11p-7a usually doesn't give me much problems with working games.:)

I'm also a public safety dispatcher. I work 1500-2300 4 days a week which means I can only work games 3 days a week.

Hoping to go to day class in a year or less to finally be able to work a game every night.

Mark Padgett Tue Dec 04, 2007 05:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron
No, I imagine not. What did it cost you? ;)

Oy vey! Lots of shekels. Fortunately, they have my picture on them.

http://www.elfaronacional.com.ar/inf...s/image004.gif

zebra44 Tue Dec 04, 2007 06:07pm

I am a welder in an open pit iron ore mine. High glamor.:cool:

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Dec 04, 2007 06:21pm

I'm a CPA, currently working as a CFO for a non-profit organization. Very flexible afternoons when I need them to be. Other than that, typical 8-5, or 7-3, or 9-2....whatever works.

Coltdoggs Tue Dec 04, 2007 06:33pm

Sales Consultant for a marketing company...

Work for a company but really it's for myself...ownership is very flexible to anything I need...except increasing my commission rate! :p

MN BB Ref Tue Dec 04, 2007 06:37pm

College professor at a community college. I have a great deal of input into my classroom schedules so I arrange them around officiating. So far its worked out GREAT! The hardest thing is having kids at home and being a single parent. When my oldest child (17) is unable to watch the younger ones then I have to make other arrangements.:)

Mark Padgett Tue Dec 04, 2007 07:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MN BB Ref
College professor at a community college.

I have a friend who also is a professor at a community college. His part-time job is a little different, though. He's a State Representative. :)

26 Year Gap Tue Dec 04, 2007 09:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
I have a friend who also is a professor at a community college. His part-time job is a little different, though. He's a State Representative. :)

Be thankful it is not a full-time job.

rgncjn Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:26pm

Well... I am finishing my senior year (Aeronautics major) of college via online learning through the school I attended at the resident campus. I work as a commercial pilot for a local company flying this [their] airplane:

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/.../1/0688148.jpg

Routine schedule of 3-days per week. Leave the base around 0700 local and return home around 1500. We fly to the company's manufacturing facilities in two other states.

I think I am going to go into education so I do not have to give up my officiating passion in order to work a demanding schedule of an airline pilot.

Drizzle Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes
I'm a CPA, currently working as a CFO for a non-profit organization. Very flexible afternoons when I need them to be. Other than that, typical 8-5, or 7-3, or 9-2....whatever works.

Very happy to hear that, I'm a College junior working on my Accounting degree. Hopefully I can find a job with semi-flexible hours, which means I'm not looking at the Big Four!

bob jenkins Wed Dec 05, 2007 09:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Oy vey! Lots of shekels. Fortunately, they have my picture on them.

http://www.elfaronacional.com.ar/inf...s/image004.gif

You're the fruit, right? (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

mbyron Wed Dec 05, 2007 09:30am

he he he. gotcha, Padgett.

NM_Ref Wed Dec 05, 2007 09:38am

i'm an IT Technician for Grants/Cibola County Schools...normally 8 to 5 but i have a great boss that is very flexible with my schedule.

JugglingReferee Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
You're the fruit, right? (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

I think that is the burn of the year.


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