For discussion sake...
 

So, I'm watching Glory Road last night. In the NCAA Championship game Texas Western plays against Kansas, during a timeout Coach Haskins tells his players to stand near the Kansas team as they are coming out of the timeout. Obviously, he means for this to be an intimidating display or force, so here's the question. You're working this game and you see this happen, obviously we are not in the huddle with Texas Western so we don't know what they are told to do, but we see it happen.

5 Taunting technicals? No call? See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil? Thoughts?

CLH

Take my advice CLH, retract this question and run! It's not worth it. :D

What is illegal about standing near someone's bench? Were the players standing out of bounds or on the floor?

Peace

Kentucky, not Kansas.

I believe they played Kansas in the semi-final. Maybe regional final.

Anyway, they did play them at some point in the tournament.

My bad, I was at a Kansas v. SMU game last week, guess I had them on my mind. Still, noone has really addressed the question.....

I don't know where they stood, I wasn't there, I'm speaking in hypothetical terms here! Coach Haskins tells the players he wants them standing there as the KENTUCKY team comes out of the huddle, "like a wall, like a force" (direct quote from the movie). So, again, KENTUCKY breaks their huddle and young Pat Riley turns around and he's nose to chest with Big Lattin and the other players staring them down. Got anything? Let it happen? Turn and run? Wonder who's gonna play you in the movie?

Oh yeah forgot also...

Rule 4, Section 7, Art. 2
During any timeout or before any extra period, bench personnel and
players shall locate themselves inside an imaginary rectangle formed by the
boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line and an imaginary
line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area meeting
an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

Understand sports movies use dramatic situations to make the story more interesting. There were many things in that game that were not quite accurate to help engulf the audience into the story. If I remember the movie correctly, they were not quite nose to nose. And if as an official they looked at each other, I do not think that would be an issue with me. Someone would have to do something or some contact would have to occur or words would have to be exchanged and that would be a little different. Even then, officiating is not about penalizing every time players interact negatively. Based on what I remember and the way you described the situation, Ts are for when things happen not for when players look at each other and make no contact. Intimidation is not illegal. If that was the case every time someone blocks a shot then we have to call an unsporting T.

Peace

Take Teen Wolf for instance. Scott (the only varsity high school player I have ever seen who jumps when he shoots FT's) is shooting two FT's to win the game, you really gonna let Mick stand under the backboard while he shoots them? :eek:

The real questions is whether the two-color headband he wore as the wolf was legal then. I don't have a rulebook back that far.

That, and I think his claws would have been unsafe. Can we force someone to trim their fingernails before playing?

It's really, really scary that you know the names of characters from Teen Wolf!:eek:

As to the original post, no way do I let that happen. If I see the team trying to do something like that, get in there and make them walk away. If they say/do anything unsportsmanlike, whack them - whack them good.

I believe you can if you deemed them to be dangerous..in this case I'm going with the full declaw treatment, not just the trim...

Ha ha I was snow/iced in on Sat and it happened to be on!:D

You believe correctly. R3-7 :)

Dude, I couldn't care less if this was an exaggerated scene or not! I'm asking if sometime it actually plays out like the coach was instructing, what would you do? Actually, in the movie it doesn't even show that scene, it goes from the Texas huddle straight to the throw in. Intimidation is not illegal...hmm... ok, so big post player takes out the little guard on a drive to the basket, takes him to the floor, then stands over him staring him down, no words, just stands over him staring him down, and you're gonna no call that part. Get ready to have fun, cuz it's only getting worse from there! :D

There is nothing wrong with standing near someone and staring at them; or so, that's what I've been told. (Sorry JR - couldn't resist)

OK no.

But this game was in the 60s and the rules about where players can or cannot stand during timeouts from my understanding were not in place as they are today. I would do nothing because nothing happen.

Peace

You may wanna rethink that.

CLH:

I hate to be the one that tells you this but the Rule you just quoted above did not exist when when the game was played.

MTD, Sr.

And on a more serious note. When Glory Road first came out, my two sons went to see the movie and wanted to know if I wanted to go with them. I told them no because I had watched the game live on television. :D True story.

MTD, Sr.

OH MY GOD!!!! I'm not asking you to go back to 1960 something!! Geeze, I'm speaking about right now, if this happened what would you do? I never once said let's travel back in time to the year "My Girl" went #1, I said if this happened to you sometime. Like maybe tonight! Are you in politics? You can find more ways to skirt around things than anyone I've ever been in contact with. But, I got love for ya, cuz at least you think of all angles, so you get props for that much! :eek:

Okay - Sorry JR - I didn't want to resist.

If you think it's "taunting", deal with it. That might include a T, it might include movign the team before the other huddle breaks up, it might include talking to the team, it might include standing between the teams, ...

Actually, I wouldn't ever tell a player he had to trim his nails. I might tell his coach that a player can't play until he does, though.

And Bob, I would personally be careful stepping between two teams. But you have a lot more experience than I do. It just goes against everything I was taught dealing with teenagers in a tense situation.

It would not have gotten to that point. Ts in my opinion are last resorts. I do not know how a player that is supposed to be on their end of the court would all of a sudden be in front of the other bench during a timeout without me or another partner (that knows what the hell they are doing) addressing that issue. It is clear you are single minded on this issue and you are not looking at the bigger picture. This is why you have had a couple of people mock your question already. At least I was trying to direct you to a reasonable conclusion.

Peace

Got ya' beat. I have a great grandson who played in that game. :D

OK, not a true story.

If we put this into a HS game:
If the TEAM breaks this rule, which is very similar in the NFHS, then I would instruct them to adhere to it. If they didn't, then the penalty would be a TEAM technical foul. There is a ruling that says when multiple members of a team commit some infraction the intent of the rules is to penalize it with one team technical foul, not each individual.

Wasn't the Kentucky coach named Rupp?? I thought part of the story was that he was so impressed that he went back to Kentucky and integrated his program, and he was such a great coach that they named their new stadium after him all those years ago??

You're Diebler's Great Grampa? :eek: :eek: :eek:

They named the arena after him because he basically made that program into a big time program. They did not name the arena after him because he was a well known civil rights activist. After this game, Kentucky was not all of a sudden a haven for Black players from the state of Kentucky. I do not think there was not a Black player that attended Kentucky until 1970.

Peace

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Juulie, Pat Riley was a player in that game on the Kentucky team.

So if a team leaves the designated bench area before the second horn, they have violated this rule?

Coach, the rule says that their team conference must take place within that area, not that they cannot leave it once that talk is finished or that they even have to have such a chat. However, they certainly are not allowed to violate the sanctity of the opponent's huddle. That would clearly be unsporting. They need to respect the area designated for the opposing team during a time-out and stay out of it.

Interesting!! Thanks, Nevada. But I was right about Rupp being the coach?

Yea, I didn't word that all very well, did I? What year was that national game that Glory Road was made from?

Yes, Adolph Rupp was the coach at that time.

1966.

Peace

Another interesting note on that game is that it was played at Cole Fieldhouse in Maryland. That was UMD's home area until just a few years ago when they built a new one. Current MD coach Gary Williams detailed in an interview how as a kid he snuck into the building to watch the game.

Back in the 70's the Oregon Kamikaze Kids (Ducks) basketball team would stand at mid-court and stare at the opponents during warm-ups. They never said a word, just watched. It was allowed until a scuffle broke out.

Can't do that anymore.

Midcourt
 

CONNECTICUT MECHANICS:
Point to floor for two-point field goal try.
No long switches when foul is called in the backcourt and there is no change of possession or direction.
Team members are not allowed to congregate at midcourt during introductions.
Coaching Box must be marked. If home coach and/or home management refuse to designate coaching box
with tape, the home team will not use a coaching box for that game. However, the visiting team will be
allowed a coaching box. Notify Board Secretary or Commissioner the next day.