What do you see- What do you blow

[zebraman]

Silly question..still not sure I understand it.

If I do understand it, the answer would be that it depends on the level and the game.

I call every foul that I see. Sure, I let some contact go but that's because I didn't think it warranted a foul.

Not sure what you were trying to find out or generate, but whatever.

Z

[crew]

Originally posted by Peter Devana
My wife ( who reffed for 15 years to the University Level) and I had a duscussion to-nite. We wondered when officiating a game ,and watching your own area( not following the ball) how much you think you actually saw(%) and how many (%) of fouls & violations you actually called. We would be very interested on the views of this forum.
Pistol
a.What you saw -%
b. What you called- %

peter,
i do not know about the percentages, but when i break down tape my average is about 5 missed plays per game. this includes violations, fouls, and no calls. the best tape i have seen of my self was 3 missed plays, and the worst is, well not very good. though i think percentages has too many variables unless you just count missed calls when you have a whistle on a play.

(Ed Rush did a statistical on the percentages of the nba refs and on plays that they had a whistle they were correct 94.2% of the time, this did not include the plays where they did not have a whistle)

you have touched on a subject that many people feel vulnerable to speculation. because many refs have never watched a game tape of themselves, many refs only watch a few. in my opinion not enough tape is watched by officials. (nc2a and highschool)

[Peter Devana]

Sorry Rut,
You may not care, but many do and that is how they try to improve their position to see what they are supposed to be seeing and also improve their judgement.
BTW I did not dream this discussion up . I participated in it many times when it was led by very respected American and Canadian clinicians who thought it very important. They are the ones who thought the numbers for great officials should be somewhere between 80-90% for Seeing and the same for Calling. They realized with 2 man mechanics that's all you could expect to see most of the time and as far as judgement is concerned the 80-90% applies regardless of whether it was 2 or 3 man. Some of the people I learned this from were:
1 Dr Phil Fox -D1- IAABO clinitian;
2 Norman Van Arsdalen-D1- IAABO clinitian;
3 Fred Horgan- International FIBA clinitian; and
4 Jake O'Donnel-NBA - clinitian
I must admit I have not heard this topic discussed during clinics attended over the past few years but that is probably because at those clinics that I attended the clinitians were not directing their content towards the higher level of official. They have kept it quite basic so as not to get the more inexperienced people confused.


For those that are aspiring to the top levels I hope you found the discussion helpful if a bit philosophical. It is designed to make you think and self evaluate.
Pistol