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Jurassic Referee Thu Nov 22, 2007 06:07am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
<font color = red>We</font> don't care and are sick and tired of you saying that over and over.

"We"?:confused:

JugglingReferee Thu Nov 22, 2007 07:31am

Popcorn. :D

Let's take a vote: who likes to read the same stuff from Rut over and over again? :p

In my mind, there is value in replies (like Ruts) to situations like the OPs where his state is seemingly more restrictive about mechanics.

There is also more value in other information, such as that published by the Fed, if only for the reason that there are likely more non-IL readers than there are IL readers.

I appreciate when NevadaRef and Rut each qualify their responses with why they're responding as they do (except for learning about Dave Gannaway).

I do agree with NV that Rut's pink statements are linked, and that Rut's commentary (2nd sentence) could be construed as his opinion rather than IHSA policy. IMHO, he didn't adequately clarify that this mechanic is part of the IHSA mechanic.

fullor30 Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:39am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
whomever

For me, that can lead to confusion. Not much of a pregame led to this. On several occasions both myself and partner are bringing in subs, just looked sloppy to me and could lead to putting ball in play as one official is giving it up to partner and administering official may see that arm drop and think it's OK to put ball in play.

Adam Thu Nov 22, 2007 04:30pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30
For me, that can lead to confusion. Not much of a pregame led to this. On several occasions both myself and partner are bringing in subs, just looked sloppy to me and could lead to putting ball in play as one official is giving it up to partner and administering official may see that arm drop and think it's OK to put ball in play.

There are practices in place to avoid this; such as ensuring you make eye contact. If I'm administering and see subs coming in, I watch the subs and my partner. I'll do my own count, and then look at my partner to make sure he/she's ready.

It can only lead to problems if there are other sloppy aspects of the mechanics.

Back In The Saddle Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
"We"?:confused:

Yep.

Jurassic Referee Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:15pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
Yep.

Oh? "We" is all of the officials on this forum?

You and Nevada speak for all of us?

Interesting.

Back In The Saddle Fri Nov 23, 2007 01:22pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Oh? "We" is all of the officials on this forum?

You and Nevada speak for all of us?

Interesting.

Oddly enough, we, being plural, indicates two or more. If you wish to interpret it as being "all of the officials on this forum" you can certainly do that. If you wish to opt out, there's an 800 number you can call to get on a list... :p

Adam Fri Nov 23, 2007 01:26pm

I heard there's a waiting list.

Back In The Saddle Fri Nov 23, 2007 01:34pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
I heard there's a waiting list.

Yeah, but if you're "somebody" you can usually get right in ;)

Jurassic Referee Fri Nov 23, 2007 03:39pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
Oddly enough, we, being plural, indicates two or more. If you wish to interpret it as being "all of the officials on this forum" you can certainly do that. If you wish to opt out, there's an 800 number you can call to get on a list... :p

Oddly enough, that's a big, steaming pile of crap. :)

The gentleman from Nevada stated in the paragraph where he used the word "we" that Rut should ---<i>".....leave the rest of the board to <b>those of us in the other 49 states plus DC</b>."</i>

Soooooo, when did Nevada and <b>you</b> get elected as spokesman for "those of us in the other 49 states and DC"? I musta missed getting the memo on that.

Adam Fri Nov 23, 2007 03:49pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
Yeah, but if you're "somebody" you can usually get right in ;)

Can I flash my "I'm a basketball official" card?

Back In The Saddle Fri Nov 23, 2007 03:54pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Oddly enough, that's a big, steaming pile of crap. :)

The gentleman from Nevada stated in the paragraph where he used the word "we" that Rut should ---".....leave the rest of the board to those of us in the other 49 states plus DC."

Soooooo, when did Nevada and you get elected as spokesman for "those of us in the other 49 states and DC"? I musta missed getting the memo on that.

What? You didn't get a ballot? :D

Back In The Saddle Fri Nov 23, 2007 03:55pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Can I flash my "I'm a basketball official" card?

I don't see why not. I do it all the time.

Adam Fri Nov 23, 2007 04:13pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
What? You didn't get a ballot? :D

Chuck suggested we not give JR a ballot; it might confuse him. We were afraid he'd end up voting for Pat Buchanon.

It seemed like the prudent course of action at the time.

Nevadaref Fri Nov 23, 2007 05:17pm

I don't know why JR's panties are in such a twist. According to his posted location, he isn't in one of those other 49 states or DC. :D


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