Speaking of cheaters....
 

How 'bout the refs on this forum actually asking for the answers to this year's Part II closed book exam?????
Folks.....open the book and study.
Your thoughts.....?

I e-mailed Victor Conte for the answers. I'll post what he sends back.

It happens every year. It happens with the NFHS Part 1 exam too. Anyone asking here usually finds out that they've come to the wrong place. It's nowhere near as bad as it used to be here when they were openly trading exams and answers.

There's nothing the matter with discussing individual exam questions. The difference is learning vs. cheating.

Jmo.

I took some steroids and then asked for the answers. :p

If a married man used Viagra would that qualify as cheating on his wife?

Peace

If's he doing it to remain competitive with all the other guys doing her, yeah.

Depends.

How was the Viagra obtained? Was it a legal prescription?

If he obtained it through the wrong channels, did he lie about it to authorities?

Did his wife ask that he not use it, and he used it anyway?

So many questions to answer...

Please no more jokes.......
 

What if she turned a blind eye to what was going on? Would that change your mind about who is responsible? :p

Peace

BLydic:

You are really an incarnation of Rodney Dangerfield, aren't you.

MTD, Sr.

Not all states use the test the same way. So accusing people of cheating is or isn't over the top depending on what state the person is in. Jmo.

Yeah - like did he cheat on his urine test? :eek:

Why would anybody ask for the exam and answers then? If they're going to use the exam for study purposes, then what possible good are the answers? They'll find the answers while they're studying. If they can't find a particular answer, then they can come here and ask. And if they're going to write the same exam and their test mark doesn't mean anything, then why would they need to have that exam early?

The people that come here asking for the exam and/or answers are 99.99% cheating azzholes. That's jmo.

Your faith in humanity is much greater than mine, Rich. That's nice.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.:)

Back to the discussion on the Original Whizzinator(tm).......

You don't need that to pass a urine test. It's multiple choice and all the answers are "P". ;)

If you get an answer key, you can have the references for the questions. The answers should not be a secret if you are trying to understand the rules.


There are a lot of states or jurisdictions that do not use the NF tests. So to suggest everyone that is asking is cheating is not right. I will never take the Part 2 Test again. If I ask for the test, it is not going to help me cheat at anything. That is not an opinion that is a fact. ;)

Peace

She might think she was being cheated if he stopped using it.

Interesting user name and first post.

Betcha it would have taken you longer to come up with a name if the news hadn't came down yesterday about Bonds. ;)

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It was more not so much a matter of finding a name. It was more a matter of a name finding me which also coincided with a good ref buddy of mine ASKING ME FOR THE ANSWERS to our exam.
True. :D

What do you get when you mix Viagra with Rogaine?

You get hair like Don King. :eek:


http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/20...don_king,0.jpg

Let see. On Monday everyone takes the Part II exam. On Tuesday AFTER the test was taken someone asks you what was your answer on #10 True or False. Pray tell how can one "cheat" after the test was handed in. As Ricky said to Lucy "splain it please"

Speaking of tests. If you want a real test. Make it multiple choice with the following answers for evey question.

A. One of the above.
B Two of the above.
C. Three of the above.
D. None of the above.
E. All of the Above.

Had a few sadistic Prof's in College give multiple choice tests like this. Toughest tests I every took.

Well, Ricky...

Asking about an answer to a specific question isn't cheating. Asking about specific answers after a test is taken isn't cheating. But not everyone here takes the test at the same time. So asking for and/or posting <B>all</B> the answers, before taking the test, seems like cheating. And that's what some people on this forum do. For many, the Part 1 exam is meant to be taken as an open-book exam, which the intent is to make an offical actually read through the rule and case book to find the answers. For some, the Part 2 exam is closed book. Giving out most or all of the answers ahead of time is circumventing the intent of the tests.

If it looks like cheating and it spells like cheating, then it's cheating. Sorry I wanted to quack like cheating.

In the state of Virginia there are several tests, so I'll give the answer sheet to what test?

If the powers that be wanted a "real test" for part one it could be done online similar to the NCAA Baseball Exam. As I understand it no two tests are alike My question 1 is different from your question 1 etc. I don't think the NFHS much cares if answers are shared.:D JMO

I have heard rumors that the IHSA will be going to something like that in the near future.

Wrong. Individual states care. Quite a few use the NFHS Part 1 exam for both certification and advancement. These states don't appreciate someone sending their officials the exams and answers <b>before</b> their officials are tested in that state. And posting the FED exam and answers on a local association web site is just as stoopid. It might not make any difference in <b>your</b> state, but it sureashell can lend to cheating in <b>other</b> states.

Maybe where you are, but you need to consider that the NFHS National Test date for this season is 12/3/2007.

http://www.nfhs.org/custom/calendar/...012:00:00%20AM

If they cared every test would be different. Technology exists to make it so.:D

I can tell you this. The state of Virginia cares. Our state administrator spoke about the exam at our clinic. She also indicated that next year it will be taken online and with a time limit she wasn’t quite clear if it was 90 min or 2 hours.

This although may back fire on them because we will see less officials pass and be eligible to officiate varsity games and post season games. It will force people to actually start reading the books..

It will probably do the latter. I doubt the number passing will drop far enough to be a problem. You might lose a couple of heavy hitters who've been winging it all these years...until the realize they've got to dig in and correct all those myths they've been perpetuating all along.

Also, you might still have guys taking it together and sharing answers....internet cafe, library, people with laptops...anywhere they can get on the internet at the same time. Heck, if they're clever, they could open up multiple browsers on the screen at the same time and click the same answer in all the open windows....one after another.

There will always be those that find a way to be lazy.

Also, there is rarely a shortage of officials wanting to work the varsity games. More often, the shortage is for JV, Freshman, and below.

DOH

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Right now, Part Two must be done at a designated supervised location, on paper, within a set time limit. First promotion, open book test. Top level, closed book. I've heard that they're going to go to Part 2 online in the next couple of years, but don't know if it's actually true or just rumors. Maybe Jeff, Jim, or Tanner knows more about it. I'm not sure how they could moniter the open/closed book aspect and also, I'd hate to have a power outage or computer glitch in the middle of the test. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Water under the brigde in VA as of the spring, the test will be online and there will be no more paper tests....