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todd66 Wed Nov 14, 2007 01:33pm

Questions on hair control devices
 
Rule 3-5-3d states the rubber, cloth or elastic bands may be used to control hair. There is no color restrictions on these like there are on headbands, correct? Also, the definition says a band. In my opinion, rolled prewrap tied in a circle or a hankerchief tied the same way are not legal. Is this the correct interp on this?:)

SmokeEater Wed Nov 14, 2007 01:46pm

prewrap is legal.

grunewar Wed Nov 14, 2007 01:57pm

At the annual Northern Virginia Clinic this yr they specifically informed us color was not an issue.

rainmaker Wed Nov 14, 2007 02:09pm

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Originally Posted by SmokeEater
prewrap is legal.

yes, handkerchief not legal.

Mark Padgett Wed Nov 14, 2007 02:11pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
yes, handkerchief not legal.

Juulie - what about a footkerchief? :confused:

OK - back on the meds. :rolleyes:

SmokeEater Wed Nov 14, 2007 02:13pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
yes, handkerchief not legal.

Thanks Rainmaker, I will have to be sure to expand more on my posts next time.

rainmaker Wed Nov 14, 2007 02:14pm

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Originally Posted by SmokeEater
Thanks Rainmaker, I will have to be sure to expand more on my posts next time.

nah, I need something to do to keep my post count going up.

Nevadaref Wed Nov 14, 2007 08:22pm

Regarding color of hairbands:

2006-07 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 8: Three team members from Team A have multi-colored, narrow elastic bands (not moisture-absorbing headbands) around their heads for hair-control purposes. RULING: Legal. There are no color or size restrictions for elastic hair-control bands. (3-5-3d)


Regarding prewrap:
I cannot recall anything from the NFHS specifically addressing the use of prewrap to control hair in basketball. NFHS soccer rules state that it is allowed as long as it is NOT tied in a knot. For basketball, one must consider 3-5-3e. That rule may forbid prewrap.





jdw3018 Wed Nov 14, 2007 08:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Regarding prewrap:
I cannot recall anything from the NFHS specifically addressing the use of prewrap to control hair in basketball. NFHS soccer rules state that it is allowed as long as it is NOT tied in a knot. For basketball, one must consider 3-5-3e. That rule may forbid prewrap.




I'd say, technically by 3-5-3e, it probably is prohibited. That said, unless it's a LOT of prewrap, and since it is "elasticky" and could be fashioned into a "band" and doesn't seem to present a safety hazard, I'm most likely not fighting that fight.

rainmaker Wed Nov 14, 2007 08:50pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018
I'd say, technically by 3-5-3e, it probably is prohibited. That said, unless it's a LOT of prewrap, and since it is "elasticky" and could be fashioned into a "band" and doesn't seem to present a safety hazard, I'm most likely not fighting that fight.

We've been told around there that it's legal. SOmetimes it's hard to tell whether it's prewrap or an elastic band. I think we've just figured that if you really can't tell, then it's probably not important. Alhtouhg, I've seen a lot more prewrap on the floor than elastic bands. That presents a safety hazard I suppose.

HoopsRefJunior Wed Nov 14, 2007 09:23pm

Wouldn't the use of prewrap for a hair control device be the utilization of equipment in a manner other than its intended purpose?

If so, that would make it illegal.

NEW QUESTIONS....
Have you seen the new hair control (elastic) devices with logo/writing all the way around it? I know NF does not limit color, etc. on hair control devices, but this seems to violate the spirit of our decorum rules. In a scrimmage last night, I asked the girls in question to flip these hair control devices over to a solid white side. (players and coaches complied without question) Did I overstep?

I took a similar stance on wrists wrapped with athletic tape. Several girls on one team had their wrists wrapped with athletic tape and had written initials and/or numbers on the tape. I asked them if the tape was needed. When the response was yes, I asked them to cover the writing with another strip of tape or remove it. (again, players and coaches complied without question -- two of four removed it all together.)

I've seen writing on shoes also (although I've never seen it so blatantly displayed that I considered it a problem). Where do we draw the line?

These players keep coming up with more and more issues. I feel like I'm policing fashion as much as the game!

Nevadaref Wed Nov 14, 2007 09:31pm

You draw the line based upon what the writing says. NFHS soccer has a play ruling that says that kids cannot participate with objectionable markings on their faces or arms. The markings must be covered or removed before they may play. There is no reason why this NFHS principle shouldn't apply across the board for all sports.

HoopsRefJunior Wed Nov 14, 2007 09:54pm

Nevada,

I agree and as you can see from my post above, I think that is what I've done. I know there will be those on this site who disagree.

I coached at the high school level for 18 years before crossing over to the "stripes side", so my real question is: "What are these coaches thinking when they allow these types of displays?"

Nevadaref Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:07pm

I really can't tell you whether I agree or disagree with what you did because you haven't stated what was written on the elastic headband. I can only tell you that I have no problem with kids putting initials or numbers on tape or their shoes, if that is all that was there. As long as it is nothing unsporting, I don't see a reason to ban it.

HoopsRefJunior Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:13pm

It was a Nike hair control device. Nike "swoosh" and the words "JUST DO IT" repeated about 10 times all the way around.

Nevadaref Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:24pm

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Originally Posted by HoopsRefJunior
It was a Nike hair control device. Nike "swoosh" and the words "JUST DO IT" repeated about 10 times all the way around.

In that case, good job! I don't care for that company. :p

Jurassic Referee Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:24pm

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Originally Posted by HoopsRefJunior
It was a Nike hair control device. Nike "swoosh" and the words "JUST DO IT" repeated about 10 times all the way around.

Illegal as per NFHS rule 3-6. Only <b>one</b> logo is allowed per headband/sweatband.

Nevadaref Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:30pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Illegal as per NFHS rule 3-6. Only one logo is allowed per headband/sweatband.

Nope. :p

That rule is completely inapplicable. This is NOT a headband or sweatband, rather it is an elastic band to control hair. If it were a headband or sweatband it would also be subject to the color restrictions.

refnrev Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:01pm

[QUOTE=HoopsRefJunior]Wouldn't the use of prewrap for a hair control device be the utilization of equipment in a manner other than its intended purpose?

If so, that would make it illegal.

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Hoops, Don't go there with pre-wrap. Let them wear it. There are too many more important things in a game to worry about than that.

HawkeyeCubP Thu Nov 15, 2007 01:07am

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Originally Posted by HoopsRefJunior
Wouldn't the use of prewrap for a hair control device be the utilization of equipment in a manner other than its intended purpose?

If so, that would make it illegal.

--Unless your state association deems it legal - and I'd bet a game check or two that you wouldn't be able to find one that says it isn't.;)

SmokeEater Thu Nov 15, 2007 09:00am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Regarding color of hairbands:

2006-07 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 8: Three team members from Team A have multi-colored, narrow elastic bands (not moisture-absorbing headbands) around their heads for hair-control purposes. RULING: Legal. There are no color or size restrictions for elastic hair-control bands. (3-5-3d)


Regarding prewrap:
I cannot recall anything from the NFHS specifically addressing the use of prewrap to control hair in basketball. NFHS soccer rules state that it is allowed as long as it is NOT tied in a knot. For basketball, one must consider 3-5-3e. That rule may forbid prewrap.




Iirc, Was this not discussed last year after the new head band and arm band rules came out. I thought a clarification was posted that said the prewrap was allowed.
http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=29502

Jurassic Referee Thu Nov 15, 2007 09:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeEater
Iirc, Was this not discussed last year after the new head band and arm band rules came out. I thought a clarification was posted that said the prewrap was allowed.
http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=29502

Good catch and memory, Smokie. I see that I was wrong about the logos too. No restrictions.

Nevadaref Thu Nov 15, 2007 07:35pm

Nice work, Smoke. I knew that the NFHS had issued a clarification on the elastic bands, but I couldn't recall if it included prewrap and ribbons. I must be getting old. :(

Glad to be reminded that both are legal and that I don't have to deal with them. :)

Mark Padgett Thu Nov 15, 2007 08:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoopsRefJunior
It was a Nike hair control device. Nike "swoosh" and the words "JUST DO IT" repeated about 10 times all the way around.

Absolutely legal in Oregon. Anything with the Nike name and/or logo is permitted. You can play with a steel cast on your arm if it has a swoosh on it. Phil Knight got the Oregon legislature to pass a law allowing this. It was a rider on the bill that gave Nike an annexation exemption for their property for the next 30 years (not kidding about that part).

Airborne! Wed Jan 02, 2008 05:43pm

Hair Control Devices
 
In our state (Georgia) we've been told that the elastic hair control devices no matter what is written on it, will be treated as a headband...logo, color, etc. In my interpretation of the rule (3-5-3d), these are not moisture wicking devices, but are allowed according to the wording of the rule. That said, it doesn't matter how we interpret the rule, but the state high school athletic association has now dictated we treat these devices the same as headbands and we are to enforce this interpretation.

cdaref Wed Jan 02, 2008 06:00pm

Isn't it fun being the uniform police? I cant wait till next year when they introduce sock color limitiations. :) Oh wait, no I'm not...

Airborne! Wed Jan 02, 2008 06:24pm

I hear you!! Sock color and the straps on the kids shoes...which they think is "cool" to leave unstrapped...games I do though I make them strap 'em up or sit.

DonInKansas Wed Jan 02, 2008 06:30pm

Hair Control device. Does that mean we have to call a hair-control foul? Is there a signal for this?

Man, who cares. As long as it doesn't say F*** the ref or something, I could give two shakes about it.

BktBallRef Wed Jan 02, 2008 06:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoopsRefJunior
NEW QUESTIONS....
Have you seen the new hair control (elastic) devices with logo/writing all the way around it? I know NF does not limit color, etc. on hair control devices, but this seems to violate the spirit of our decorum rules. In a scrimmage last night, I asked the girls in question to flip these hair control devices over to a solid white side. (players and coaches complied without question) Did I overstep?

I took a similar stance on wrists wrapped with athletic tape. Several girls on one team had their wrists wrapped with athletic tape and had written initials and/or numbers on the tape. I asked them if the tape was needed. When the response was yes, I asked them to cover the writing with another strip of tape or remove it. (again, players and coaches complied without question -- two of four removed it all together.)

I've seen writing on shoes also (although I've never seen it so blatantly displayed that I considered it a problem). Where do we draw the line?

These players keep coming up with more and more issues. I feel like I'm policing fashion as much as the game!

Yes, you overstepped.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airborne!
In our state (Georgia) we've been told that the elastic hair control devices no matter what is written on it, will be treated as a headband...logo, color, etc. In my interpretation of the rule (3-5-3d), these are not moisture wicking devices, but are allowed according to the wording of the rule. That said, it doesn't matter how we interpret the rule, but the state high school athletic association has now dictated we treat these devices the same as headbands and we are to enforce this interpretation.

That's strange considering the NFHS has stated the exact opposite.

cdaref Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:08am

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Originally Posted by DonInKansas
Hair Control device. Does that mean we have to call a hair-control foul? Is there a signal for this?

Will the NFHS be adding a new hair control mechanic to diferentiate between team, player and hair control fouls? Do we shoot hair control fouls?


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