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Junker Tue Nov 13, 2007 09:17am

Good Tuesday
 
I'm just feeling good this morning and thought I'd post. I had a women's game last night and the crew (1 I've worked with before, the other I've met at camps) was really sharp. We had a competitive game and we rotated well, mechanics were good, and we were seeing the game the same way. Communication was as good as I've ever had on a crew other than my high school crew. I opened on Saturday and it went fine, but it was a complete blowout. I think we did a good job, but last night was a night when we were just "in it". How has everyone else's openers gone?

Splute Tue Nov 13, 2007 09:22am

I will let you know tomorrow. :) It should be fine.:rolleyes:

kbilla Tue Nov 13, 2007 09:22am

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Originally Posted by Junker
I'm just feeling good this morning and thought I'd post. I had a women's game last night and the crew (1 I've worked with before, the other I've met at camps) was really sharp. We had a competitive game and we rotated well, mechanics were good, and we were seeing the game the same way. Communication was as good as I've ever had on a crew other than my high school crew. I opened on Saturday and it went fine, but it was a complete blowout. I think we did a good job, but last night was a night when we were just "in it". How has everyone else's openers gone?

Had a really good men's juco game on Sat for my opener, 87-86 I believe...only bad part was the officials locker room was literally INSIDE the home team locker room (little room off to the side) and of course the home team lost by a point...so we had to sit in our little box and listen to the home team coach rip his team a new one for 10 mins before we could slink out with our heads down right past the team as they changed...not a good set-up!

Scrapper1 Tue Nov 13, 2007 09:43am

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Originally Posted by Junker
How has everyone else's openers gone?

Double OT. Can you believe that?!?! :eek: Last night's juco was a lot easier. Toss at 7, home by 8:45. Beautiful!

Adam Tue Nov 13, 2007 09:46am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Double OT. Can you believe that?!?! :eek: Last night's juco was a lot easier. Toss at 7, home by 8:45. Beautiful!

Do you live on campus?

Junker Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:11am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Double OT. Can you believe that?!?! :eek: Last night's juco was a lot easier. Toss at 7, home by 8:45. Beautiful!


Must be nice. My game was a little over 2 hours away. I rolled into my place at 11ish still wide awake. I warned my students that I didn't get much sleep and I might be cranky today. :)

Dan_ref Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:15am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Do you live on campus?

I think it went quicker because he only had to toss it up 1 time to start the game.

tomegun Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:42am

I've had 3 college games and 6 (MS does double-headers) high school games already. The opener went well enough that I don't really remember much about it.

rockyroad Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:45pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Double OT. Can you believe that?!?! :eek: Last night's juco was a lot easier. Toss at 7, home by 8:45. Beautiful!

Double OT??? What is wrong with you?

Were you by any chance working with my buddy Bhuck Elics? He had a double OT game the other day also...

Splute Wed Nov 14, 2007 08:41am

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Originally Posted by Splute
I will let you know tomorrow. :) It should be fine.:rolleyes:

Well its tomorrow.... Girls JV, 10th A & B.... didnt go as perfect as I had hoped, but it wasnt a total disaster either. Home team gets jump ball; fails to score, visitors rebound and drive for score.. Home team blocks shot, all ball and partner calls foul on home team... that is when it started :) Visitors second possession, same situation, all ball, foul, Home coach goes ballistic. That set the tone and the home crowd rode us the rest of the night. I believe the calling improved, but the crowd was not happy with anything we called. I stayed for the Varsity game to see if they called it differently regarding fouls and to watch how experienced officials work. They called it the same as we did, but didnt get the same crowd remarks. So here are the things I take away from the game that I need to improve on:
1 Better communication with partner (several minor issues that made us look bad)
2. Posture / solid calling & reporting
3. Bonus administration (this one bites: my partner, lead, called a foul, I didnt catch the player that was fouled, we inbound and are informed of bonus situation... yep, you guessed it... who is going to shoot? curses!!!)
4. Study the rules, AGAIN!
5. Communication with partner!!

For my first School game ever, I think it was positive.... at least I am not going to give up just yet.:rolleyes:

Jay R Wed Nov 14, 2007 09:11am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
Double OT??? What is wrong with you?

Were you by any chance working with my buddy Bhuck Elics? He had a double OT game the other day also...

Did I see a boxscore with Bhuck? I assume that it was Chuck's name butchered.

jdw3018 Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:09am

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Originally Posted by Splute
Well its tomorrow.... Girls JV, 10th A & B.... didnt go as perfect as I had hoped, but it wasnt a total disaster either. Home team gets jump ball; fails to score, visitors rebound and drive for score.. Home team blocks shot, all ball and partner calls foul on home team... that is when it started :) Visitors second possession, same situation, all ball, foul, Home coach goes ballistic. That set the tone and the home crowd rode us the rest of the night. I believe the calling improved, but the crowd was not happy with anything we called. I stayed for the Varsity game to see if they called it differently regarding fouls and to watch how experienced officials work. They called it the same as we did, but didnt get the same crowd remarks. So here are the things I take away from the game that I need to improve on:
1 Better communication with partner (several minor issues that made us look bad)
2. Posture / solid calling & reporting
3. Bonus administration (this one bites: my partner, lead, called a foul, I didnt catch the player that was fouled, we inbound and are informed of bonus situation... yep, you guessed it... who is going to shoot? curses!!!)
4. Study the rules, AGAIN!
5. Communication with partner!!

For my first School game ever, I think it was positive.... at least I am not going to give up just yet.:rolleyes:

Love that you've got a list to work on - sounds a lot like most "first games" in that there are pieces that just don't work well, and others that work very well. Communication and confidence will go a long way to cleaning things up.

One thing you'll notice as you work, (at least this is true from my experience) is that the lower the level, the more hostile the crowd will be. Just tune them out! :D

Jurassic Referee Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:14am

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Originally Posted by Jay R
Did I see a boxscore with Bhuck? I assume that it was Chuck's name butchered.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=273152514

Texas Aggie Wed Nov 14, 2007 02:18pm

Opener last night: JV/V double header. No problems, but lots of fouls called. I don't like how the game gets more and more physical every year and how sloppy physical play just drains you.

DonInKansas Wed Nov 14, 2007 03:04pm

It couldve been worse....
Linky

bob jenkins Wed Nov 14, 2007 04:56pm

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie
Opener last night: JV/V double header. No problems, but lots of fouls called. I don't like how the game gets more and more physical every year and how sloppy physical play just drains you.

That's fairly common during the opening games. Teams have had 20 (SWAG) practices of the coach yelling, "Get Tougher! Be more aggressive!" and no one blowing a whistle for fouls. Now they will begin to adjust.

Dan_ref Wed Nov 14, 2007 05:02pm

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Originally Posted by DonInKansas
It couldve been worse....
Linky

The lady Bisons...???

That's not very flattering.

M&M Guy Wed Nov 14, 2007 05:31pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
The lady Bisons...???

That's not very flattering.

It can't be too bad...it's not a body part.

rainmaker Wed Nov 14, 2007 08:42pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
It can't be too bad...it's not a body part.

Not even a euphemism for a body part!

just another ref Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:25pm

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Originally Posted by Splute
Home team blocks shot, all ball and partner calls foul on home team. Visitors second possession, same situation, all ball, foul, Home coach goes ballistic.

I have to wonder about who was where and who was watching what. Your partner called shooting fouls on two consecutive possessions and you had a good enough look at both to state decisively that they were wrong? Who was watching the other 8 players?

SMEngmann Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:47pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref
I have to wonder about who was where and who was watching what. Your partner called shooting fouls on two consecutive possessions and you had a good enough look at both to state decisively that they were wrong? Who was watching the other 8 players?

JAR, I'd back off this a little bit, he did say the situation was on a drive so most likely the ball was right in the middle of the paint, a spot where both officials can have a very good look at the play. I like to pregame my coverage in 2 man as refereeing where the other official cannot, and this can very well end up in two officials refereeing different parts/angles of the same play. The discipline comes in not guessing and reffing the defense and trusting that your partner has an open look if you've got a closed angle. If you subscribe strictly to the lines on the floor and where the players are method of officiating, you can pretty much guarantee that there will be guessing going on, and that you don't have good coverage as a crew. That being said, the OP probably got a good open look at the play and his partner didn't trust him and guessed wrong.

Splute Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:56pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref
I have to wonder about who was where and who was watching what. Your partner called shooting fouls on two consecutive possessions and you had a good enough look at both to state decisively that they were wrong? Who was watching the other 8 players?

Fair question. I was trail, tableside, player driving from my primary into paint for shot, I stepped down to three point arc to prepare for rebound. I didnt say my partner was wrong, I said the block was all ball and will further clarify that my view was it was a clean block, thus no whistle from me. I didnt tell the story to rag my partner; rather I intended to explain how the tone was set early for a long night.

Jurassic Referee Thu Nov 15, 2007 06:34am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
The lady Bisons...???

That's not very flattering.

Too bad St. Johns changed their name.

The Lady Redman?

Who can you think of that might have an orgasm while protesting that one?:D

Splute Thu Nov 15, 2007 08:42am

After my final post last night I went to bed rethinking the game and my post. Again let me be clear, I would have to beat up my performance before I could even consider addressing my partner. I made too many mistakes of my own. After rethinking the game, it amazed me how many things happened in that first game that have been covered on this forum. Some I immediately realized; some I didnt till later. For instance, I swore that in one of my games (clearing my throat) I would never let the Scoring Team immediately step out of bounds and throw in the ball. Let me restate that... Team A scores basket (it is now B's ball w/running endline) Team A grabs ball and begins a throw-in. Ya know, I cant say that will never happen in my game ever again :) Fortunately we caught it but I was completely taken by surprise. Another early lesson.:rolleyes: So many other things.... I have lots to learn:confused:

rainmaker Thu Nov 15, 2007 08:52am

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Originally Posted by Splute
After my final post last night I went to bed rethinking the game and my post. Again let me be clear, I would have to beat up my performance before I could even consider addressing my partner. I made too many mistakes of my own. After rethinking the game, it amazed me how many things happened in that first game that have been covered on this forum. Some I immediately realized; some I didnt till later. For instance, I swore that in one of my games (clearing my throat) I would never let the Scoring Team immediately step out of bounds and throw in the ball. Let me restate that... Team A scores basket (it is now B's ball w/running endline) Team A grabs ball and begins a throw-in. Ya know, I cant say that will never happen in my game ever again :) Fortunately we caught it but I was completely taken by surprise. Another early lesson.:rolleyes: So many other things.... I have lots to learn:confused:

Don't worry, with that attitude, you will learn, and learn quickly. keep remembering that when you quit learning, you might as well be dead.

Splute Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:10am

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Don't worry, with that attitude, you will learn, and learn quickly. keep remembering that when you quit learning, you might as well be dead.

Thanks, I'll be honest, sitting in the stands I never realized how difficult this would be. Ya know? I never missed a call in the stands. :D I can see now how this process will take years and still never completely learn it all.


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