If the ball does not hit the rim?

JP1976 · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 02:55pm

Can the shooter rebound it?

One of the guys I play with always calls me on this.

JAdams · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 03:01pm

If, in the opinion of the calling official, it was a shot attempt (try) and not a pass or a fumble, it can be recovered by the shooter without penalty. (S)he can even dribble again, 'cause the try effectively reset everything.

JP1976 · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 03:12pm

I'm not sure I should ruffle feathers by proclaiming that this is REALLY not a violation if it happens again. But it's nice to know.

Thanks for the info.

daves · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 03:14pm

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Originally posted by JP1976
I'm not sure I should ruffle feathers by proclaiming that this is REALLY not a violation if it happens again. But it's nice to know.

Thanks for the info.

If is happens again? You're a better shooter than that. It was just a fluke that you shot an airball in the first place.

Mark Padgett · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 03:52pm

Actually, you should be clear when you play as to what level of rules you are adopting. This is a violation in NBA.

Bart Tyson · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 04:24pm

Fumble, If it is a fumble, you may also recover the ball.

JP1976 · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 05:01pm

It's really kind of disappointing that it's even being called at all. This is a very informal group. And it's always the same guy calling it. No one else.

JAdams · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 05:06pm

If a shooter catches his own shot (try) with both hands, he can legally dribble again. If a player fumbles the ball and recovers the fumble with both hands, it's also legal, but he cannot dribble again. If he recovers a fumble by continuing the dribble with just one hand, that's legal and play continues.

At least that's how I would whistle things.

Bart Tyson · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 05:55pm

JAdams, Dribble, fumbles trying to PU ball(touches with both hands), continue drible. Are you saying he can continue to drible as long as it is with one hand?

[Edited by Bart Tyson on Jan 30th, 2002 at 05:01 PM]

Hawks Coach · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 06:55pm

I with you Bart, that is a double dribble if he recommences the dribble. He can dribble, attempt to pick up but fumble, and then pick up - no more dribbling allowed. As a guard, I would have fumbled a lot!!

SHellmueller · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 07:22pm

Just to be very clear here, I assume we are talking about a player who has already used his dribble! After all, if he still has the dribble available, he can fumble as much as he likes, then pick it up and dribble.

By the way, do any of you give a signal, either hand or audible, that the ball has been fumbled rather than dribbled? Sometimes I think this might "explain" the reason for my not calling a double dribble on a fumble play. Not that I should have to ever explain ANY call I make.

Jurassic Referee · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 07:35pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Bart Tyson
JAdams, Dribble, fumbles trying to PU ball(touches with both hands), continue drible. Are you saying he can continue to drible as long as it is with one hand?

[Edited by Bart Tyson on Jan 30th, 2002 at 05:01 PM]

Bart,I don't think he mentioned touching the ball with both hands when he tried to retrieve the fumble.I think he is trying to describe an interrupted dribble,instead.If that is correct,he is correct.I'm just guessing,but I think that's what he means.

Hawks Coach · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 08:16pm

The rules related to fumbling clearly mean the two-handed act of fumbling, not interrupted dribble (I know you know that Jurassic). How you retrieve the fumble is of no consequence. J adams post clearly differentiates not by what occurred before the fumble or even how the ball was fumbled, but what happened after.

Quote:

Originally posted by JAdams
If a player fumbles the ball and recovers the fumble with both hands, it's also legal, but he cannot dribble again. If he recovers a fumble by continuing the dribble with just one hand, that's legal and play continues.

If you have not used your dribble prior to fumbling, you can retrieve the fumble with one or two hands and you still have a dribble. If you first dribble then fumble, you can retrieve, i.e. hold, with one or two hands, but you cannot resume the dribble regardless. One-handed vs two-handed retrieval is always irrelevant.

Bart Tyson · #14 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 30, 2002, 08:21pm

You are correct, I just assumed he touched it with both hands. SHellmueller, I wonder what kind of signal we could think up for a muff. I could see a problem with this, kind of like, shot gets block and one official does the O hands up and brushing of the hands signal telling everyone the shot was tipped by the def. and the other official calls a foul.

JAdams · #15 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 31, 2002, 09:13am

Guess I messed up the definition of a fumble (vs. an interrupted dribble). My post above attempted to describe a situation when a player was dribbling the ball, lost contol of it, the resumed his dribble without catching (or touching) the ball with both hands. Guess this is termed an interrupted dribble. If, in fact, a fumble means losing control after touching the ball with both hands, then it's clear to me that a player could not touch it again or resume the dribble. Sorry for the confusion of terminology above.