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I have been reading threads on this website daily for years now and have gotten much entertainment out of it. Today I decided it was time to post a thread to discuss why it is that some of you must prove others wrong at all costs. Let's not jump to conclusions just yet. I know this site is about sharing "correct" information, but at the same time it's about share and discussing opinions. Sometimes however when someone posts a question or a response another poster will react as if he/she is wrong and they must be ridiculed for it. I, like all of you, agree that there is no place for someone to just post bad or misguided information.......I think we all know who did that on a daily basis........but then there are the cases, such as the post from Kansas talking about head coaches. Instead of believing or questioning this post, some just said that can't be right this guy/girl is an idiot. Why? If you were from there or knew someone from there perhaps you would have thought differently. All I am saying is that different isn't always wrong. Example........I'm from MN, for highschool we run halves, we are choosing to have the away team wear white, even thought the home home team is "required" to by NFHS. And we are also choosing to give one single technical foul for teams who wear the wrong jersey, rather than a technical foul for every player entering the game. Now if you weren't from here and I posted that you might say I don't know what I"m talking about. Then I might be able to change you mind by showing you some literature that proves my point. Even then you might still think I'm an idiot.........All I'm saying is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions just because what is being said is different from what we are use to or think we know to be true.

MN can also use video review in State Championship games. ;)

State tourney games? Of course!!! But we all know that because of that great shot, and the article in referee magazine. Again, if you didn't know that you might think I'm crazy.

You're not crazy. You're just different. :)

This is why some of us have inquired about the actual official KS interp on the issue in question.

Also, the issue was not him providing the KS interp. He defended it, which invited response. He wasn't very receptive to the response, however.

Not crazy. Just wrong.;)

Also, the issue was not him providing the KS interp. He defended it, which invited response.

That's what I'm talking about........let's use something fro the NCAA rule book as an example. College officials are "required" this year the wear the new CCA jacket. We all agree on that correct? Now I say, the conferences I work in, decided they weren't going to listen to the "requirement" and we weren't going to wear them. What would you say? Am I wrong? If so, why? If I"m not wrong, why? Remember, the book says we are required to wear them. Responses?

That one is simple. The person in charge of your conference is wrong. :D

And all I'm saying is exactly what has been said to the many others who have brought up the exact same point......

<font size = =5><b>DON"T TELL US WHAT TO POST!!!!</b></font>

That is not your job, or any of your business either. What gets posted here is determined by the owners of this site and the moderators, not by you, me or anybody else.

Is there a point coming soon?

Peace

I don't even know about the "Kansas" post, but your state is opening up a can of worms. What if you tell a player they are wearing an illegal headband and to take it off? If the player tells you no, what are you going to do and what are you going to use to back yourself up? Since your state has ignored the rule book you can't use that.

My point is would any of you like me or others to respond to everything you poat and tell you why I think you are wrong? Wether I'm right you're right or neither of us is right? Because that seems to be what some like to do. I guess if that's what you feel you need to do then great. Wonder what would happen if the same was done to you? We can all play devils advocate if you will on a lot of the enforcement of the rules in the game of basketball. I'm just saying that some of you feel that your way is the only way. And dare I say...............YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT!!! oh but you think you are, we all do. its ok to be shown a different way once in a while.

We'd say your conference was wrong. Now, if you want to make it more like the situation you're talking about, you need to follow that up with a couple of more steps.

You: My conference says....
Us: That's not very bright of your conference.
You: Well, I agree with them because....
Us: Well, here's why we think it's stupid.
You: Harumph, well I work 300 games a year.... :D

I'm not saying I agree with what we as a state are doing. In fact on most of it I don't. But I have to "enforce" their rules if I want to work. But to my states credit, their ignorance of the rule book might be promoting change. There are some places now that think halves are a good idea, some others who think replay is a good idea, and maybe after this year might think shot clocks are a good idea. If you don't try new things you never know what could improve the game. That doesn't mean it will work and always be that way, but you might have to try once in a while. I mean men's NCAA tried table side with the calling official and now switched back. Experiments don't mean forever.

If I was posting something that was wrong (which has been known to happen every now and then), I would hope that my colleagues on this board would tell me I was wrong and tell me why I was wrong. And if I continued to defend that wrong position, I would hope that they would shoot me to pieces. And if I still tried to defend that position and told them to "go to hell because I'm right and you're the ones that are wrong", well, that would just be silly now, wouldn't it...people who do try that tend to get some vicious responses. Most important of all to the long-timers on this board is protecting the integrity of the game - and if that takes a 2x4 upside someone's head, well by golly JR will be there to do it (and provide his own lumber to boot).

Oh, and btw, you're still wrong.:p

Actually you are incorrect. The CCA Requirement is only for Division 1 officials. Other can follow if the choose when or how they can apply their own standards. A good example of this is the color of the shirt used at the JUCO level in many parts. Those officials can and do use the grey shirts and you do not see anything in the CCA Manual that requires such a thing. This jacket falls under the same situation. The reality is that all lower level college conferences have not required their staff to wear these jackets and even have different expectations because not all officials will have the old jackets. Unless this guy works at the D1 level, his assignor has the right to expect different things.

Peace

I'm not trying to defend his responses, I'm just using him as an example. I thought about using OS but we all know that wouldn't have gotten me very far. That post was the most recent that allowed me to show that someone says something and then a select group jumps on him and says, no your wrong, then when that doesn't work, they say prove it. Then if that doesn't work they try to tangle the orignal poster into a big circle so they can see, we got you, that's not what you said before, you must be lying because you changed you statement here. See we were right the whole time, you just shouldn't post because we don't believe anything you say, because it doesn't conform to our beliefs.

And <b>my</b> point, again, is:

<font size = +5><b>DON"T TELL US WHAT TO POST!!!!</b></font>

Post whatever the hell that <b>you</b> want to post. Respond to whatever <b>you</b> want to also. Make any point that you feel like making. But do NOT tell anybody else what they can post or not post here. That ain't <b>your</b> job.

Lah me......:rolleyes:

Uh-oh...here comes that 2x4 I was talking about on the last page.

I'm not sure I understand the OP's alternative. Do you want someone to ignore wrong posts? If that were to happen, and a young officials is looking at a thread, what does that do to the game of basketball? Everydody doesn't live in MN, but if you say something wrong and nobody points it out there is a possibility that one official will take your word as the gospel and run with it. Even defending something wrong like you are doing is...wrong. :D

If you didn't already know this, there are many Alpha males (females too) on this board. Telling them what not to post just isn't going to work when they have rules references to back up what they are saying. You can keep trying, but your trying will be in vain.

Rocky, there's one helluva difference between disagreeing with somebody or telling them that they <b>can't</b> post something because someone else might disagree with it.

Iow, I don't have too much patience with someone who falls off a turnip truck, hears the noise, wanders in the side door and then proclaims himself the Master and Sole Keeper Of The Mores And Customs Of The Forum. I kinda figure that's up to Brad and the mods.

How come I can't tell you what to post but you can tell me, in big bold letters mind you, what I can post? Let me guess? You've earned that right? or maybe you're just always right. Funny how the person telling me what I can't do is the exact guy doing what he's telling me not to do!!!! So are you telling me what the rules are and then using your own interp of them? I though that was wrong?!!! Or maybe I'm wrong. Either way I have a feeling you're going to tell me which it is, and in bold print I hope.

Wait for it....

I'm not saying that wrong information shouldn't be corrected. I'm saying that there are people who always have to be right and sometimes they themselves aren't right. An example would be someone posting saying don't tell other people what to post.

I don't recall ever telling someone what they could or couldn't post. Post whatever you want. All I said from the beginning is it seems like the same people are always trying to prove others wrong. If there is wrong information correct it, back it with and source and discuss it all you want. Now continually replying and getting med isn't helping prove your case. All I have been saying is the same people are always right.......a post is made, they disagree, they fire back. Sometimes this needs to happen, others maybe not. I thought this was a discussion board, and I've been told atleast 3 times since I've joined that I can't tell others what to post! I'm not trying to tell others what to post but I am being told what I can't post? That seems odd to me. I officiate basketball and visit sights like this one to see what other officials are talking about. Sometimes I get some very good info from this site other times just pure entertainment. All in all I think its a great tool. But I know that when I discuss is person, with another official, we let each side argue and then we see if we can come to some common ground. Sometime we do and other times we don't. If we don't agree w move......that doesn't mean we don't think the other person is right, we just leave it to them to make that mistake, or atleast what we think is a mistake. So I think this site is a good place to discuss rules, mechanics, and even philosophy, if you can have a civil talk. I don't think its good that a certain few have to always be right. I'm not telling anyone what to post, I'll just laugh, and possibly defend now that I know some will defend at all costs. Discuss and post what ever you want, even if its a post telling me I can't tell you what to post!!!

Where in this thread did I <b>EVER</b> tell you <b>what</b> to post? <i>Au contraire</i>, Goober, if you check back through the responses, you will find that I actually said <i><b>"Post whatever the hell that you want to post."</b></i> Basically, I could give a rat's azz what you post. However,
<b><font size = +5><b>DO NOT TELL ME OR ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM WHAT I OR THEY CAN OR CAN'T POST!!!!</b></font>

Reading is fundamental. As exemplified by your response above, actually comprehending what you're reading is extremely more difficult, if not impossible.

WOBW.

RIF.

So you're saying you have the right to impose on other what they can and cannot post?

How did that happen?

Well that's refreshing.

I suppose this is a 2 way street?

Just to follow up on this comment: the CCA requirements are only for Division 1 officials, because the "CCA" is simply all the Division 1 assignors, the Collegiate Commissioners' Association. The D1 assignors get together and decide what mechanics (and jacket) their staffs will use. The D1 assignors have no authority over D2 or D3 or JUCO conferences, as far as I know. Those other conferences usually follow the CCA manual, because they want to have uniform mechanics, etc. But there's no requirement for them to do so -- again, as far as I know. :)

My understanding (which could again obviously be wrong) is that the gray shirts are not allowed at any NCAA level because the black and white shirt is required by the rulebook. So it's slightly different from the jacket, which is not mentioned in the rulebook.

I don't believe you
 

And after years of lurking, you finally decide to register and post this??:confused:

Before this thread gets locked, I'll add my $.02. TD, go back and read post #15 of this thread from rockyroad. It pretty much sums it up.

This is a discussion forum. Some people are right, some are wrong. For the most part though, everyone is only trying to help everyone else understand and interpret the rules of the game.

It's pretty obvious (especially to the longtime posters here) when someone comes along with a load of bull****, doesn't want to learn and only incites an argument in every post.

I would be for this change universally, imo it makes for a better game flow. At a minimum make it available for state adoption.

Forgoing the "home team wear white" is one thing, but making the away team wear white is just plain hockey ^H^H^H^H^H^H hokey.

JR:

Can you please increase your font size. It is so small I am having trouble reading it.

MTD, Sr.

How can you say "post whatever you want to post" and " DO NOT TELL ME OR ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM WHAT I OR THEY CAN OR CAN'T POST" ?
I'm going to try, to the best of my ability, since you told me "Reading in fundamental......comprehending what you're reading is extremely more difficult.....", to try and decipher your response. I believe and I could be wrong, since you seem to be right, and we disagree, therefore you are right, so if A then B and if B then C therefore if A then C whichs makes only you right. Anyway, your statements are contradictions!!! and since you like to back all of your beliefs/statements with rules and information I'll back for you........to contradict is "To assert or express the opposite of (a statement)" you can't say post whatever you want except posting something I tell you you can't............I never told anyone what to post, I merely asked the question as to why you were allowed to and I wasn't, so maybe it is you that needs some reading comprehension, oh but wait, I forgot, you are right. I'm sorry for trying to prove you wrong, I merely wanted to show that jusy becuase you've been posting forever and you and others make think you are always right.......you're not!!! and that's ok but you won't except it.

This provokes a question which I have wondered about before. What, exactly, is the NFHS and what is its authority to make and impose rules such as these to which we so often refer? Apparently individual states, or portions of states, have the freedom to ignore certain portions of the rules. If NFHS learns of this, is there ever any kind of penalty involved for this noncompliance?

That pretty much says it all right there. Your ability to comprehend what you are being told is non-existent.

Try deciphering this.......go away, troll.

Yes, if a state elects to deviate from the NFHS rules then that state forfeits its right to submit rule changes to the NFHS committee and also loses its ability to have a representative sit on the national rules committee.

That's the penalty. As an example, the state of CA currently suffers this in order to employ a shot clock for both boys and girls games.

Look, you're right about this. He's telling you not to tell people what they shouldn't post, while telling you what you shouldn't post. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last. You're right. He's cranky. Ok? Happy now?

Having said that, why in the world would you choose this topic as your first foray into this forum? :confused: And having done so, why would you persist in arguing it?

If you've been here as long as you say you have, then you've seen this exact type of thread go down this exact same path many times. Somebody tries to say, "Can't we all just get along?", only it comes across as, "You guys are a**holes, lighten up." Everybody else gets pissed and the thread goes down the toilet.

Here's my very humble suggestion. Delete your very first post that started this thread. That will delete the entire thread. Then start a new thread that goes something like: "Long time lurker, first time poster. Love your forum. I had a question on a backcourt situation in my game last night. . . ."

Hope you stick around, but let's get rid of this stoopid thread.

What gives you the right to tell hm what to do?

I didn't. I said: "Here's my very humble suggestion." It's what I might do in his shoes, but I won't be offended if he doesn't follow the suggestion.

I also have a suggestion for you. . . :p

And what, exactly, give you the right to very humbly suggest what he might or might not do?

I'm trying to come up with a joke about a Twinkie, Alberto Gonzalez and the Patriot Act, but it's not working.

I dunno, just mentioning all three in the same sentance is kinda funny.

Not that I'm telling you what to do...

I heard that what ALberto Gonzalez was caught doing to the twinkie is now referred to as "the Patriot Act."

Eww...no wonder everyone seems to be against it.

That's disgusting...don't post anymore disgusting stuff like that or we'll have to borrow JR's 2x4 and come visit you!:p

It does make one wonder about that. The great thing about the Internet is you can claim to be anything or anywhere. :rolleyes:

I'm not claiming to be anything. This post has gone the way most go here. Soemone post something, if others think it is wrong they respond in disagreement. If the original poster continues to say he/she is right and even backs it up with rules/definitions or state interps those who said he was wrong continue to tell him so. Then others chime in and start making a joke of it. So a post can go from a legit message into a thread that becomes worthless because instead of discussing the issue some choose to attack the poster. Why does who I am have anything to do with what I post? I could be Mary Struckoff for all you know, would I be right then? or do we still listen to the veterans of the discussion board?

Not necessarily. :p

But, in all seriousness, are you Mary Struckoff?

If you aren't, then why wouldn't people be more willing to listen to the ones that have proven their knowledge and expertise over time, as opposed to someone that just comes aboard in their first post to express a negative opinion about some of the members of this forum?

Veterans tend to be very wise in general & they provide rules knowledge/interps along with little tips that can't be found in rule books.
So ummm yeah I will always "listen" to 'em... without vets who would teach the next generation or should I say genration next :D

I agree with you that Vets always have something to offer. But in the world of officiating age doesn't always equal experience. There are plenty of guys who have been around a long time who have never gotten very far in officiating while others have gone a long ways in less time. So just because someone has been doing it a long time doesn't mean they know what they are talking about. Listen? Yes. Take what they give and use it in your game? Maybe. Say that because they've been doing it along time so they are always right? No.

Shut up.

Read situations 6 and 7 on the NFHS website and tell me if Mary is right or not. :rolleyes:

Try working Hackensack, Bayonne and pusillanimous in there too.

What do you mean "everyone"?

Maybe we should have a poll......

Good point.

Maybe he/she is Mary.

Sigh...go back and read post #15 again. That rockyroad guy is pretty smart for a young fella! :p Seriously, if you've been lurking around here "for years" as you claim, then you would know better than to make these statements. When proven wrong according to the actual rules - not someone's personal interpretation of those rules - every single one of the "veteran" posters has admitted they were wrong - and will continue to do so. But when some putz comes on here and starts spouting what they "think" or "feel" should be right, they will get treated with brutal - but empathetic - honesty.

And I have no freaking idea what pusilan...pussill...pusilll...whatever that word is, means. But it kinda reminds me of that one post that made rainmaker so mad!!:eek:

And when Dick Cheney got caught he called it "hunting".

When Bill Clinton got caught he called it another day at the office.

Finally (and I do mean finally)...did you hear the tragic news? Ted Kennedy drove off a bridge last night coming home from a party. His twinkie drowned.

Impossible. Twinkies float. Even when filled.

We might have to find another appellation, considering the way JJ has pitched. The lad is impressive as hell.

I was overseas the last 10 months, glad to hear all is well here.

One of the three or four bright spots this past season!!:mad: