Calling Official goes opposite

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Junker

You give the same answer I give when asked about something that wasn't my call or area. My point was that the reason we started to go table side was so that if there was a question, the right person would be there to answer. We are told over and over that we need to communicate better with coaches. Taking us away from the table hinders our ability to do so.

I agree that we can communicate better across the board, but where you are after a call does not make that automatic. And just like any call I might make, I am not explaining all of them. And I certainly was not explaining something I did not see or do not know. Even in the HS game we do not long switch so it would not be unusual that you do not go table side after a foul. And the one thing about college coaches, they are much smarter and knowledgeable than HS coaches. They would just use that time to complain. They knew damn well why a lot of things were called; they just would try to influence officials by talking to them. And with all the emphasis on the antics of the coaches, they will just have to get over it quickly.

Peace

[tomegun]

The mechanic to go opposite is no big deal and it wasn't really that long ago that we stopped doing it. The official who stays beside the coach does not have the burden of explaining his/her partner's call. Like Rut said, the college coaches are smart enough to know what was called and why. If they know there is one official on the crew who will listen to them all night, they will use that to complain all night.
The emphasis was on communicating and someone felt we were doing that too much. At least that is a partial reason for the switch. Explaining every, the majority or a large portion of calls is not necessary.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I agree that we can communicate better across the board, but where you are after a call does not make that automatic. And just like any call I might make, I am not explaining all of them.
Peace

Absolutely. I only respond when asked a legitimate question by the the coach. I think that sending the calling official away will lead to more problems and antics by the coaches since they will be trying to communicate across the court.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Junker

Absolutely. I only respond when asked a legitimate question by the the coach. I think that sending the calling official away will lead to more problems and antics by the coaches since they will be trying to communicate across the court.

The reason it was chanced because the purpose of the mechanic was not successful. Coaches still would have antics if you were right in front of them. And Tommy made the point that this was not very long we did it this way in the first place. Also it was clearly said by Hank Nichols that you still can give an explanation to a coach before going across. College coaches are smarter than HS coaches and understand the game much better. And college coaches were largely the reason this mechanic was changed. This should not be that big of a deal. Coaches and officials will just have to adjust. And if you have good communication skills you will tell the coach what you do not know and who to talk to. If they cannot deal with that, it is too bad. You do not explain every call anyway. And if you did maybe this was the reason the mechanic was not looked in the best of light.

Peace

[Junker]

I agree the college coaches know the game better and don't need an explanation. My concern is that the college trends tend to trickle down to high school and I think going table side is very valuable at the high school level. Like I said earlier, they want us to communicate so why take away a good time for us to be available to coaches. Working in Iowa, I hate the fact that our coaches are on the bench. We have new bench decorum adapatations that are going to be a mess. OK, I'm starting to rant about other stuff. Sorry.

[NewNCref]

I saw a college game yesterday (Wake Forest v. Mars Hill) and it looked like the officials were having some trouble remembering to go opposite, but other than that, it seemed to work. The coaches didn't seem to have any problem with it.

The new jackets on the other hand.... Sorry, not trying to hijack this thread.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Junker

I agree the college coaches know the game better and don't need an explanation. My concern is that the college trends tend to trickle down to high school and I think going table side is very valuable at the high school level.

Junker, you make it sound like we have been using this mechanic for 20 years and all of a sudden we changed back without any good reason. This mechanic was only in place like 2004 or 2003. This mechanic was not even around 5 years and NCAA Men's and NF changed the same year. The Women's side did this first.

Originally Posted by Junker

Like I said earlier, they want us to communicate so why take away a good time for us to be available to coaches. Working in Iowa, I hate the fact that our coaches are on the bench. We have new bench decorum adapatations that are going to be a mess. OK, I'm starting to rant about other stuff. Sorry.

There is a difference in communicating and talking and explaining every possible situation. They felt we were brought into conversation that was completely unnecessary. And I can tell you I probably talk a lot less now than I ever did with the table side mechanic (at the HS level as well) because I did not see a necessary reason to explain or even talk to the coach. If the coach did not know what I called after I reported, chances are they would not understand with me saying anything at that point either. You would be amazed how often coaches would leave me alone when I focused my attention on the court and not the official. You keep talking as if things are going to go in the toilet. I think that is a little dramatic and I think coaches will adjust just like they always do. And if you do not know how to take care of business if a coach is yelling across the court (especially now with the bench decorum directives at all college levels), then you are the people you work with probably are not really ready for a lot of college games. You will be fine and coaches will be fine. You do not need to hold their hand every time you call something. And if they changed the mechanic tomorrow for HS believe me there would not be Armageddon.

Peace

[Junker]

I didn't say that things were going to into the toilet. I just prefer rotating that way. As I've stated before, the states and college commissioners want us to communicate with coaches. In my opinion, rotating to the table improves the opportunities for communicating with coaches. Obviously you aren't talking every time, but I didn't see rotating to the table to be a problem, so I didn't understand the change. It seemed to be a change for the sake of change.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Junker

I didn't say that things were going to into the toilet. I just prefer rotating that way. As I've stated before, the states and college commissioners want us to communicate with coaches. In my opinion, rotating to the table improves the opportunities for communicating with coaches. Obviously you aren't talking every time, but I didn't see rotating to the table to be a problem, so I didn't understand the change. It seemed to be a change for the sake of change.

The CCA changed because they felt it was counter-productive to our first job and that is officiating the game. Not only have I made that clear, that is exactly what was said at the NCAA meeting from Hank Nichols himself.

BTW, they do not care what you or I think for that matter. If you or anyone else does not like it, I am sure they will find people that will be willing to work the games in your place. I am really not seeing this as a big deal. We did this long before this mechanic was in place and we can do it for a few more years after they changed back.

Peace

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Junker

I didn't say that things were going to into the toilet. I just prefer rotating that way. As I've stated before, the states and college commissioners want us to communicate with coaches. In my opinion, rotating to the table improves the opportunities for communicating with coaches. Obviously you aren't talking every time, but I didn't see rotating to the table to be a problem, so I didn't understand the change. It seemed to be a change for the sake of change.

One of the reasons for the change is there was too much communication. Why don't you get that? You still have a chance to explain all your calls eventually - I'm not doing this though.