Say what?:confused:

Are you really saying that the throw-in spot for intentional personal fouls and flagrant personal fouls are different?

Thinking & typing at different speed. I edited it...:)

What I ment was if it is intentional it is OOB nearest the foul and if Flagrant T it would be at the division line opposite the table

Yes, but I referenced flagrant personal, not flagrant T.

I've tried selling her some, but it's a no go. :(

Snagwells, you are absolutely correct. I realized that when went back & read it again. Somehow along the line somewhere I thought we were talking an intentional foul and a flagrant T.

Intentional fouls can be either personal or technical in nature. The same is true of flagrant fouls.

You can have intentional personal fouls; you can have flagrant personal fouls. The penalty for both are 2 FT's and the ball at the closest OOB spot to where the foul occurred. The only difference is that the flagrant personal foul carries a buh-bye with it.

You can also have intentional technical fouls; and you can have flagrant technical fouls. These also both carry a penalty of 2 FT's and the ball, but the throw-in for <b>any</b> technical foul of <b>any</b> kind is always at mid-court opposite the table. Again, the only difference between these 2 fouls is that the flagrant technical foul carries a disqualification with it.

That's the correct summation.

[QUOTE=Jurassic Referee]


What is a buh-bye? Or did you mean to say bye-bye and hit the wrong keys :)

FTR, is it safe to add that any intentional or flagrant personal foul must occur during a live ball?

Not necessarily, if an airborne shooter is involved.

Oh?

Rule 4-19-5(c)?

Is this where I'm supposed to say, "shut up?"

Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by Ch1town
FTR, is it safe to add that any intentional or flagrant personal foul must occur during a live ball?
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

4-19-5 . . . A technical foul is:
...
c. An intentional or flagrant contact foul while the ball is dead, except a foul by an airborne shooter.


So Snaqwells is correct. The airborne shooter may commit an intentional or flagrant personal foul while the ball is dead.

Oh?

Are you sure that exception isn't just referring to a PC foul?:)

Yep, I'm sure. The following case book play says that an airborne shooter may be charged with an intentional or flagrant PERSONAL foul.

4.19.6 SITUATION B: Is it possible for airborne shooter A1 to commit a foul which would not be player control? RULING: Yes. The airborne shooter could be charged with an intentional or flagrant personal foul or with a technical foul. (4-19-2, 3, 4)

Yup, they sure can...... if they happen to commit that foul as an airborne shooter while the ball is live. And if they commit the foul as an airborne shooter when the ball is dead, they could be charged with a technical foul too(as stated above).

It depends on how you read the related rules.