WARNING!!! OFF_TOPIC Football thread

[DonInKansas]

At least Oregon has the excuse that they were playing their #3 QB. Shoot, when your backup is a Leaf you know you have problems, but the guy below HIM on the depth chart? Brutal.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I am having mixed emotions about the KU-Missouri game. I want KU to win, but OSU needs a KU loss.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

OSU needs to beat somebody first. Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State don't really set the world on fire. Pretty much a down or average year for everybody in the Big Eleven, except Illinois.

Now I know why they call themselves "the" Ohio State University. They pretty much have been able to run the table on all those MAC schools in Ohio over the years. They even took on "the" mighty Youngstown State this year.

Maybe they'll get their butt handed to them in the Fiesta Bowl by Hawaii. A Boise State redux, so to speak.

Steven:

The reason I have mixed emotions about the KU-Missouri game is because I was born in Lawrence, KS, and my mother is a graduate of KU. She taught both of my sons how to say Rock Chock Jay Hawk as soon as they learned to talk.

I think you need to be reminded that ten, that ten, of the eleven schools in the Big 10 are bowl eligible, no other conference can make that statement. So please don't tell me about who Ohio State has played. Applacian State was the two-time defending Div. I-AA National Champions and Youngstown State lost to Applaciain State in Div. I-AA Semi-finals last year.

MTD, Sr.

[JRutledge]

Also Wisconsin that was not seen by many to be that good last year, beat Arkansas that was in the SEC Championship game last year with one of the best running backs in the country in a bowl game. I personally would not like to see OSU in the National Championship game, but if that comes about they are as deserving as anyone else in the country. They beat who was on their schedule except one time.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by iRut

Also Wisconsin that was not seen by many to be that good last year, beat Arkansas that was in the SEC Championship game last year with one of the best running backs in the country in a bowl game. I personally would not like to see OSU in the National Championship game, but if that comes about they are as deserving as anyone else in the country. They beat who was on their schedule except one time.

Yet another totally bogus post by the ignorant one. Where do you get your information? You are consistently factually incorrect. Quite clearly most people did think that Wisconsin was a good team last year since they were ranked #7 in the final BCS poll. Arkansas was #12. The only reason that Wisconsin did not get a BCS berth is that two Big Ten teams qualified ahead of them (#1 Ohio State and #3 Michigan) and the BCS has rule which says that the maximum from any one conference is two teams.
Here a is copy of the final poll so that everyone can see just how wrong you are:
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6234594_37_1.pdf

BTW the sportsbooks out here all had Wisconsin favored to beat Arkansas in that bowl game. Just a few more people who knew what they were talking about, unlike you.

[Mark Padgett]

DA BEARS!

37-34 in OT over Denver. Incredible. Devin Hester is unreal.

[M&M Guy]

Mark - I would've been more impressed if you would've posted a picture from today's game.

Question: What do you get Devin Hester for Christmas?

[Nevadaref]

The new BCS rankings are out.
The big news is that Hawaii (11-0) has moved up to the #12 slot, which would guarantee them a BCS game. That's $10M for the WAC.

Otherwise the top three are:
1. Missouri (11-1)
2. West Virginia (10-1)
3. Ohio State (11-1)

I said earlier that I don't know how one selects two of these three one loss teams and doesn't take the other. Kansas also only has a single loss, but there is a head-to-head result to justify putting Missouri into the championship game instead of them. So Kansas gets a BCS game if Missouri beats OU, otherwise OU gets to be the second team from the Big 12 and KU gets squat after losing only its final game. (This is because there is a BCS rule that at most two teams from a conference may qualify, and one of them is guaranteed to be the conference champion.) This is despite the fact that KU will almost certainly be ranked ahead of OU in the final poll. That's another serious flaw with the BCS system.

If we look at who defeated these four one-loss teams we see:
#9 Oklahoma beat Missouri
#21 South Florida beat WV
#15 Illinois beat OSU
#1 Missouri beat Kansas

According to that Kansas actually has the best loss.

If we look at the best wins by these four teams we get:
Missouri defeated #4 Kansas
West Virginia defeated #23 Cinci
Ohio State defeated #18 Wisconsin
Kansas did not defeat a current top 25 team

So Kansas doesn't have a quality win.

Therefore, I've have to conclude the following:
A. If Hawaii beats Washington next week, then Hawaii has every right to claim a chance to face the #1 ranked BCS team for the title. But silly BCS people will likely keep an undefeated team out of that game two years in a row. That's clear sign of a broken system.

B. If Hawaii is denied an opportunity and both Missouri and West Virginia win next week, then two of this week's top three teams need to be selected.
Of these three teams, Missouri would have both the beat win and best loss, so they are in, but who is their opponent?
OSU has both a better top win and a better loss than WV, but WV's strength of schedule is 29 whihle OSU played the 43rd toughest. Of course, WV still has to play Pitt (4-7) and ranked 78th, so after that contest WV's SOS will drop. So should Ohio State be the choice or WV? Most folks seem to think that WV has it for sure with a win next week. I say that is definitely questionable. Upon what is their current #2 ranking based? Why shouldn't OSU be #2 and WV #3? I don't believe that it is clear either way. Can someone make a serious argument as to why one of these teams should be selected over the other? If not, I still say give Hawaii a shot.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Of course they have ten teams that are bowl eligible. Just look at this powder puff non conference schedule they play. They bombed in some of those besides the humiliation Appalachian State hung on Michigan.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...-Comp-Sked.pdf

Then they get to play themselves. Mediocrity will show up in the bowl games more than likely. I don't think anybody wants to see Ohio State embarrass themselves like they did last year. They're going to take a bad enough of a beat down in the Rose Bowl if they play USC.

Steven:

Me thinks you doth protest too much. Something tells me you are a closet fan of that team up north and are tired of the beat down that the BUCKEYES give it every November.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I am so happy. Even if The Ohio State University Buckeyes do not play for the national championship this year it appears that the A.D. of 'that team up north' is going to make it possible for the BUCKEYES to dominate the Big 10 for years to come.

The Associated Press reported this morning in an article in this morning's The (Toledo) Blade that 'that team up north' is interviewing Lloyd Carr's top two assistants (the offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinator) for the head coach's position.

How sweet it is.

MTD, Sr.

[Nevadaref]

MTD,
Good news for the Buckeyes.

Oklahoma is listed as a three point favorite over Missouri in the Big 12 championship game.

On a more philosophical note, how can the #1 team in the country be an underdog in a game? Perhaps the pollsters don't have the right team sitting at the top?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

On a more philosophical note, how can the #1 team in the country be an underdog in a game? Perhaps the pollsters don't have the right team sitting at the top?

As Padgett has pointed out on numerous occasions, the line isn't a prediction of who will win. It's a prediction of how many people will bet on either side, to maximize the casinos' profits (or bookies - if gambling were legal in this country).

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by DonInKansas

At least Oregon has the excuse that they were playing their #3 QB. Shoot, when your backup is a Leaf you know you have problems, but the guy below HIM on the depth chart? Brutal.

#4. The guy who was supposed to be red-shirting this year. #3 was injured a couple or three weeks ago.

And at least Kansas is showing some backbone at the end of the game. Oregon just died two weeks ago.

[DonInKansas]

6 point loss. How big were those 2 field goals missed and that pick in the red zone?

I hope Mizzou wins the Big 12. West Virginia/Mizzou would make for one entertaining football game. And Kansas should get a BCS invite. I saw that the game drew the 2nd largest crowd in Arrowhead history; that's really saying something.