WARNING!!! OFF_TOPIC Football thread

[DonInKansas]

Kansas will get a shot at the title before Hawaii does, and there's no chance of that. It's going to be whichever 2 loss team gobbles enough........

........to get their shot.

Just leads you to wonder whether Ohio State remembers how to play football when they get to the title game.

[MCJB Ump]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Hawaii goes 12-0 and will definitely play in a BCS game. Will they get a chance at the National Championship?

Not gonna happen. It will be ohio state getting their privates handed to them on a plate by LSU. Hate to see the buckys playing for the NC but it will be worth it when they get drilled.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

So who you hoping to play against?

Juulie:

I want to play Hawaii. The Rainbows are undefeated and deserve to be in the Championship Game.

MTD, Sr.

[IHSAref]

Hawaii will not go to the NC game because they have the weakest schedule, and very few "big" wins. Bosie State was their biggest win. Ohio State and Georgia in the N C Game

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by IHSAref

Hawaii will not go to the NC game because they have the weakest schedule, and very few "big" wins.

Then whyinthehell is Ohio State supposedly going then? They played one of the weakest schedules that you could possibly play.....Youngstown State. Akron, Washington, Kent State and teams from weakest major conference going-the Big 10.

[rainmaker]

Well, I started this thread because Oregon was doing so well, and it was so much fun to brag a little. They were at second place for a week or two and then fell so fast that the sucking sound has pretty much drowned out everything else here in the state. Fell completely off the rankings this week. Oh, well. Congrats to MTD's buckeyes. And enjoy this week at first place, because I doubt it will last.

[Nevadaref]

It's official. The BCS just announced that it will be Ohio State and LSU.

[Nevadaref]

Other BCS bowl games:

Sugar: #10 Hawaii vs. #5 Georgia
Fiesta: #4 Oklahoma vs. #9 West Virginia
Rose: #7 USC vs. #13 Illinois
Orange: #3 Virginia Tech vs. #8 Kansas

Last week's #1 team, Missouri, is the big loser by falling completely out of the BCS even though they are #6 in the final poll and beat Kansas head-to-head. I guess having only one loss is more important.

[Nevadaref]

It's a shame that we can't see Georgia vs. USC.

[Nevadaref]

If anyone is interested in how the BCS bowl pairings were made, it went this way.

NCG #1 Ohio State vs. #2 LSU by rule
The Rose bowl gets the first replacement pick and the Sugar Bowl gets the second.

Contractual Champions are:
#7 USC in the Rose, #3 Virginia Tech in the Orange, and #4 Oklahoma in the Fiesta. They are written in.

At this point the following teams are eligible for selection: #5 Georgia, #6 Missouri, #8 Kansas, #9 West Virginia, #10 Hawaii, #11 Arizona State, #12 Florida, #13 Illinois, #14 Boston College. *Note WV and Hawaii must be taken with the final two selections if they are not chosen earlier due to their automatic qualifications by winning their respective conference championships and Hawaii meeting the additional requirement of being in the BCS top 12.

Rose selects at-large qualifier Illinois to match with contractual champion USC. Rose bowl is set. It is possible that they attempted to select Georgia, but the Sugar bowl had the right to block that as Georgia is from the same conference as the contractual champion that the Sugar lost to the NCG. It is also possible that the Rose was determined to get a Big Ten/Pac-10 match up and thus Illinois was their first choice. Either way Illinois was chosen over at least six higher ranked teams. That doesn't seem right to me. Conference affiliation shouldn't deprive a better team from a current year from selection due to some traditional matchup. The best possible teams should get into this.

Sugar selects #5 Georgia. Georgia is the highest ranked team available and is from the SEC which is the conference champ that the Sugar bowl lost. This eliminates #12 Florida from a BCS game due to two SEC schools already being picked.

The bowls now selected teams to fill their remaining slots in this order: Orange, Fiesta, Sugar.

At this point, the following schools qualify for selection: #6 Missouri, #8 Kansas, #9 West Virginia, #10 Hawaii, #11 Arizona State, #14 Boston College.

The Orange decided upon #8 Kansas. That choice meant that the final two slots must go to West Virginia and Hawaii. All other schools including #6 Missouri are out of contention for a BCS game. Even if Hawaii had not been an automatic qualifier #6 Missouri could not play in a BCS bowl at this point as now two Big 12 teams have slots. So all but two teams came off the board with this first selection.

The Fiesta now picked #9 West Virginia over #10 Hawaii. That left #10 Hawaii as the opponent for Georgia in the Sugar bowl.

So the pairings and team choice really came down to two big choices. The first by the Rose bowl and the second by the Orange bowl. In both selections higher ranked teams were passed over. This analysis gives good insight as to why it is that the best matchups don't take place in the BCS games and why many deserving teams don't get to participate.

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Last week's #1 team, Missouri, is the big loser by falling completely out of the BCS even though they are #6 in the final poll and beat Kansas head-to-head. I guess having only one loss is more important.

I guess Missouri should have avoided having their butts handed to them by Oklahoma twice then, hmmmm? At least the KU/MU game wasn't over in the 3rd quarter.

[Nevadaref]

An interesting quirk that I just noticed. Had the Rose selected Georgia and the Sugar exercised their right to block that the Rose could then have picked #12 Florida and the Sugar would have had to block that selection as well, which they would have had the right to do, if they wanted Georgia. For had they not done so, then they would have lost the ability to pick #5 Georgia as two SEC teams would occupy BCS slots before they even picked a team!

So if the Sugar had decided that they wanted Georgia they had the power to definitely get them and Florida really wasn't even eligible for a BCS selection.

So the Rose Bowl's selection thought process could have been:
#5 Georgia -- blocked by Sugar,
#6 Missouri -- unattractive for whatever reason, perhaps a Big 12 school from Midwest may not bring big fan following to CA (although that wasn't true when OU played a few years ago) and we're not convinced that this team is very good anyway after playing in a rather down Big 12
#8 Kansas -- same as Missouri
#9 West Virginia -- Big East champ may not bring fans across country and we don't trust the quality of this conference yet
#10 Hawaii -- small fan base may not fill Rose bowl stadium and perhaps not a good enough team to face USC as they play in a nonmajor conference
#11 Arizona State -- not wanted due to also being in the PAC-10 with already committed USC and didn't give USC a competitive game in conference play a few weeks ago
#12 Florida -- blocked by Sugar
#13 Illinois -- even though may not be a really quality team, let's go for the Big Ten/Pac10 thing, that will bring in the fans and uphold our tradition and that's more important to us than taking a higher rated and possibly better team. The contest probably won't be that much worse than either Big 12 team or the Big East champ could provide.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by DonInKansas

I guess Missouri should have avoided having their butts handed to them by Oklahoma twice then, hmmmm? At least the KU/MU game wasn't over in the 3rd quarter.

How many times did Kansas play Oklahoma this year?

Oh, so that's how they "avoided having their butts handed to them by Oklahoma."

I guess you think that head-to-head competition isn't the best way to determine who the better team is.

[Nevadaref]

An interesting detail is the final top 12 according to the six combined computer polls.

1. Virginia Tech
2. LSU
3. Ohio State
4. Missouri
5. Kansas
T6. Oklahoma
T6. Georgia
8. Arizona State
9. USC
10. West Virginia
11. Florida
12. Hawaii

[DonInKansas]

The BCS bowls don't give two shakes about things that make sense. My theory is that Kansas is a more attractive draw than Mizzou when it comes down to it. They are more prominent nationally (albeit for basketball) and will put more butts in the seats than Missouri.