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Mark Padgett Sun Oct 28, 2007 06:07pm

Off topic - basketball score in football game
 
While a lot of people in my state are still buzzing about Oregon beating USC, there was another game here. In Portland, Weber State beat Portland State 73-68! No, it wasn't a basketball game. :eek:

Apparently, both teams left their defensive squads on the bus.

Nevadaref Sun Oct 28, 2007 09:36pm

The will set a new record for total points. Boise State and Nevada played a 69-67 4OT game just two weeks ago.

Adam Sun Oct 28, 2007 09:53pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
While a lot of people in my state are still buzzing about Oregon beating USC, there was another game here. In Portland, Weber State beat Portland State 73-68! No, it wasn't a basketball game. :eek:

Apparently, both teams left their defensive squads on the bus.

Since I can't figure out how a team could win a college football game by 5 points in overtime, I have to assume this was all in regulation.

Is the Grinnell College basketball coach now coaching football?

Mark Padgett Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:12pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Since I can't figure out how a team could win a college football game by 5 points in overtime, I have to assume this was all in regulation.

Is the Grinnell College basketball coach now coaching football?

It was in regulation. And the PSU coach is Jerry Glanville. Yes, that Jerry Glanville.

Nevadaref Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:44pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap;...270257&prov=ap

"Portland State, whose offensive coordinator is Run-and-Shoot guru Mouse Davis..."


Of course, the writer didn't get his facts right in the second paragraph as I proved with my above post, unless he was discounting overtime games.

"The previous record for most points by two teams was 136, set in 1968 when North Park beat North Central 104-32 in a Division III game. The Division I record was 133, set in 2004 when San Jose State beat Rice 70-63."

Ref Ump Welsch Mon Oct 29, 2007 07:42am

Hey, you think that's bad, you should see some of the scores in 8-man or 6-man football games. I just had a 8-man football game a couple weeks ago, final score was 78-52. Scanning the list of scores in the paper the other day, I saw some scores for 8-man listed as 70-45, etc. There was a 6-man game recently where the final score was like 90-70.

Mark Dexter Mon Oct 29, 2007 08:05am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Since I can't figure out how a team could win a college football game by 5 points in overtime, I have to assume this was all in regulation.

Highly unlikely, but:

A has the first series, scores a TD and, since it's the 3rd OT period, goes for a successful 2 point conversion.

B goes 3-and-out, but the coaches somehow forget that it's OT and send in the FG unit instead of going for it on 4th down.

bob jenkins Mon Oct 29, 2007 09:26am

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
Highly unlikely, but:

A has the first series, scores a TD and, since it's the 3rd OT period, goes for a successful 2 point conversion.

B goes 3-and-out, but the coaches somehow forget that it's OT and send in the FG unit instead of going for it on 4th down.

Other options (I think):

1) Team A scores a FG while on offense, and then a safety while on defense.

2) Team A scores a TD and extra point. Team B commits a turnover, and during the play Team A recovers tha ball and runs into the end-zone (without the momentum exception) for a safety.

Mark Padgett Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:22am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
"Portland State, whose offensive coordinator is Run-and-Shoot guru Mouse Davis..."

Years ago, Mouse Davis was the head coach. Locals called the team the "Fighting Mice". During that time, with Neil Lomax at QB, they beat Delaware State 103-6. After the game, the Portland State baseball coach said in the press, "I wonder if Delaware State has a baseball team?" OUCH!

Ref Ump Welsch Mon Oct 29, 2007 01:30pm

And go back further in history, when John Heisman's Georgia Tech Rambling Wrecks killed Cumberland 222-0. It was revenge for Cumberland's baseball team's massacre of Georgia Tech the previous spring, which I believe was a ridiculous score as well.

Mark Dexter Mon Oct 29, 2007 04:54pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Other options (I think):

1) Team A scores a FG while on offense, and then a safety while on defense.

2) Team A scores a TD and extra point. Team B commits a turnover, and during the play Team A recovers tha ball and runs into the end-zone (without the momentum exception) for a safety.

I'm not sure what the rules are for an INT during B's series in OT. A small part in the back of my brain says the play should be whistled dead.

Adam Mon Oct 29, 2007 05:03pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
I'm not sure what the rules are for an INT during B's series in OT. A small part in the back of my brain says the play should be whistled dead.

College and high school are different on this, but I can't remember which is which. One has the play dead on the turnover. The other allows play to continue, so conceivably a team could win in OT by as many as 14 points.

Nevadaref Mon Oct 29, 2007 05:04pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
I'm not sure what the rules are for an INT during B's series in OT. A small part in the back of my brain says the play should be whistled dead.

Nope. The play finishes just the same as any other play. If this is the first team on offense in that OT, then the game is over if the defense scores. If the defensive team has already been on offense and has scored, then their player would be smart to simply fall down or take a knee.

However, if the defense fumbles before the play is over the offense can get the ball back and maybe even score on the play.

What I don't know for sure is what happens if the offensive team gets the ball back, but does NOT score on the play. Is their possession over or do they get to continue? I think that they are allowed to continue the offensive series.

Mark Dexter Mon Oct 29, 2007 06:41pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
What I don't know for sure is what happens if the offensive team gets the ball back, but does NOT score on the play. Is their possession over or do they get to continue? I think that they are allowed to continue the offensive series.

Well, in regulation, if A loses possession, B gains possession, then A regains possession during the down, A gets a new series. Not sure about OT.

Nevadaref Mon Oct 29, 2007 07:23pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
Well, in regulation, if A loses possession, B gains possession, then A regains possession during the down, A gets a new series. Not sure about OT.

That is the same for me.

Stat-Man Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:56pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
The will set a new record for total points. Boise State and Nevada played a 69-67 4OT game just two weeks ago.

Didn't Georgia Tech defeat Cumberland 222-0 in college football a long time ago? :cool:

JRutledge Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:02am

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
Well, in regulation, if A loses possession, B gains possession, then A regains possession during the down, A gets a new series. Not sure about OT.

Same rules apply in overtime as in regulation for that type of situation.

Peace

Nevadaref Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:28am

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Originally Posted by Stat-Man
Didn't Georgia Tech defeat Cumberland 222-0 in college football a long time ago? :cool:

"Back in 1916, Georgia Tech beat Cumberland 222-0, but that was before the NCAA kept track of records."

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap;...270257&prov=ap

Probably because the NCAA didn't exist back then.

rainmaker Tue Oct 30, 2007 03:32am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
2) Team A scores a TD and extra point. Team B commits a turnover, and during the play Team A recovers tha ball and runs into the end-zone (without the momentum exception) for a safety.

How would that result in a 5 point spread? wouldn't it be 9?

JugglingReferee Tue Oct 30, 2007 05:01am

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
How would that result in a 5 point spread? wouldn't it be 9?

No... 5 is correct. I had to think twice about this one too, and I work football!

So Team A is up by 7 by scoring a TD in OT. Now it's B's turn. A intercepts B's forward pass and runs into their own EZ. B tackles A. B gets the 2 points, but their series is also over. 7 - 2 = 5.

JugglingReferee Tue Oct 30, 2007 05:10am

Canadian Rulings
 
CANADIAN RULINGS:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
A has the first series, scores a TD and, since it's the 3rd OT period, goes for a successful 2 point conversion.

B goes 3-and-out, but the coaches somehow forget that it's OT and send in the FG unit instead of going for it on 4th down.

Valid in Canadian ball.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
1) Team A scores a FG while on offense, and then a safety while on defense.

2) Team A scores a TD and extra point. Team B commits a turnover, and during the play Team A recovers tha ball and runs into the end-zone (without the momentum exception) for a safety.

Valid in Canadian ball.

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
I'm not sure what the rules are for an INT during B's series in OT. A small part in the back of my brain says the play should be whistled dead.

The defense can end the play by scoring.

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Nope. The play finishes just the same as any other play. If this is the first team on offense in that OT, then the game is over if the defense scores. If the defensive team has already been on offense and has scored, then their player would be smart to simply fall down or take a knee.

Same as Canadian ball.

Quote:

However, if the defense fumbles before the play is over the offense can get the ball back and maybe even score on the play.
Same.

Quote:

What I don't know for sure is what happens if the offensive team gets the ball back, but does NOT score on the play. Is their possession over or do they get to continue? I think that they are allowed to continue the offensive series.
Their possession is over. They do not get a new series.

rainmaker Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:24am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
No... 5 is correct. I had to think twice about this one too, and I work football!

So Team A is up by 7 by scoring a TD in OT. Now it's B's turn. A intercepts B's forward pass and runs into their own EZ. B tackles A. B gets the 2 points, but their series is also over. 7 - 2 = 5.

Got it. Bob's description of the situation didn't live up to his usual highly useful standard.

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:52am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
"Back in 1916, Georgia Tech beat Cumberland 222-0, but that was before the NCAA kept track of records."

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap;...270257&prov=ap

Probably because the NCAA didn't exist back then.

The NCAA was in existence, but didn't start keeping records till the 1930's or 1950's (can't remember which).

This brings to mind, I was reading something about HS football scores back in those days (1910's). In Nebraska, the highest score by a team was 201. Score of that game was 201-7. This was a week after the winning team had been clobbered 176-0. It supposedly is the biggest turnaround in football history, going from losing by 176 to winning by 194 on consecutive weeks, for a total turnaround of 370 points.

Nevadaref Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:18pm

Navy, N. Texas score most combined points in regulation FBS game

DENTON, Texas (AP) -- Navy is no stranger to high-scoring games. The Midshipmen have an NCAA record, and a bowl berth-clinching victory, to show for their latest one.
The Midshipmen and North Texas scored a major-college record 136 points in Navy's 74-62 victory Saturday.
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Still, this wasn't even the highest scoring game of the season. Weber State and Portland State racked up 141 for the all-division record two weeks ago. Weber State won 73-68 in a Football Championship Subdivision (formerly I-AA) game.
The previous record for college football's top tier of competition was 133 points in San Jose State's 70-63 win over Rice on Oct. 2, 2004. Boise State beat Nevada 69-67 earlier this year, totaling 136 points, but that Oct. 14 game went to four overtimes. The teams were tied at 44 after regulation.


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