fight and coach enters
 

If two bench personnel and the coach of Team B leave bench during a fight, Team A is awarded two free throws and the ball as penalty.

I have team A shooting 2 ft's for the bp leaving the bench and 2 ft's for the coach leaving the bench == 4 ft's. Team A's ball at the divison line opposite the table. Correct?

Yes, unless the coach was beckoned and assuming that other penalties offset.

Yes, the penalty section of 10-4-5 makes it clear that an additional technical foul is charged to the head coach if he is an offender.

My state has a rule that the coach can come out without being beckoned and without penalty if he is helping to break up the fight or stop the altercation. If he is out there and being a problem then the normal penalty applies.

& coach hits the showers but the two team members (bench personel) can remain seated on the bench.

Bench personnel stay on the bench? I thought they were disqualified with flagrant technical fouls and tossed. I'll have to look this up in the book.

In high school, we don't eject players. We disqualify them. The reason for this is that we don't want teenagers left alone in a locker room or hallway without adult supervision. It's better to have them on the bench, still the head coach's responsibility, than angry, frustrated and alone in the locker room.

A player can be removed from the playing area if he/she continues to be a disruptive influence in the game. But when we do this, the player should be accompanied by an adult, I believe.

They are DQ'd, but non-adult personnel are restricted to the team bench after that. It is only adults who must leave the confines.

Ejected adult bench personnel shall leave the vicinity...

So, basically...it's just like they got their 5th foul...I had a coach go ballistic on me yesterday when I called a PF on a player with three fouls (giving her four) and then the player got T'd by my partner for slamming the ball on the floor, giving her five and DQ'ing her. I wish coaches would actually READ the rulebook!

Are you sure the coach hits the showers? He will have 1 direct technical and 1 indirect at this point, if I’m not mistaken. I don’t believe this is enough to eject. Wouldn’t he need one more tech to get the boot? I've never been quite sure on this.

10-4-5
ART. 5 . . . Leave the confines of the bench during a fight or when a fight may break out.

NOTE: The head coach may enter the court only if beckoned by an official.

PENALTY: (Art. 5) Flagrant foul, disqualification of individual offender, but only one technical-foul penalty is administered regardless of the number of offenders. This one foul is also charged indirectly to the head coach. If the head coach is an offender, an additional flagrant technical foul is charged directly to the coach and penalized. When a simultaneous technical foul(s) by opponents occurs, the free throws are not awarded when the penalties offset.

NOTE: A single flagrant foul or the second technical foul charged to any bench personnel, other than the head coach, results in disqualification of the offender. A single flagrant foul, the second direct technical foul or the third technical (any combination of direct or indirect) charged to the head coach results in disqualification and ejection.

Some do. Most don't.

Coach has a single Flagrant; that's all it takes.

That's why the coach hits the showers. One flagrant foul of any kind is always instant disqualification.

Ahhhh… So it is. Thank JR. Always the careful eye. Thanks!

NFHS 10.5 (b)

As long as the coach is being helpful is breaking up the fight/getting his players away, then I have beckoned him. Don't penalize the coach if he's doing the right thing.

Thanks for the correction. I was 99% sure, but I didn't have the rule in front of me, so I hedged my bet with "should".

I agree 100%.

me too.

I agree 113%.

That's fine, as long as you don't use decimal places. :p

I believe he was using metric effort.

As a coach also, I never realized how ignorant most coaches are of the actual rules of the game until I began to officiate.

jer166, we'll be happy to welcome you over from the Dark Side. :)

I'll raise you to 138%

Thankee kindly... :)

The problem is that coaches truly believe that they know the rules. That's why they get so upset. It's because they really are sure that you missed the rule.

I was in a class for teaching the rules to people who wanted to become referees. Lots of former players and coaches in the class. After the first hour of the class, they took a break and I overheard a coach tell the instructor, "Man, I've been a real jerk for the last 6 years."

After just one hour, he realized that he really had NO IDEA of what the rules were. But they're all SURE that they know them better than we do.

Partner had a situation where two players were sent to the locker room, changed and got into another fight out in the hallway outside of the gym. Before it was over the police were called in.

I have been told that when a fight breaks out stand back and take numbers down on who is involved, whether they come off the bench, etc.

If this is the case who stops the fight?:eek:

Not the officials. It's not your job to break it up, and no good can come from getting in between.

I agree with PYRef. If you try to break it up, a player would have a perfect opportunity to deck you and say it was an accident. Or worse, a player could get hurt and sue you..... no good can come out of it. I recommend NEVER touching a player.