We are on a discussion board right? We do discuss issues like this right? I do not consider it a fight when someone makes a valid point which I feel you are, but in my opinion might not be completely correct. That is why we are here I hope. ;)


You say this as if everything is addressed in great detail in the NF Mechanics book. If you have not noticed, there are a lot of things that are not even touched on at all. And to take one statement and imply is must me that is a little irresponsible to me. The NF does not cover how we change a 3 point shot to a 2. The NF does not cover how we change an out of bounds call. The NF does not even address directly when to make a call across the lane or in the lane (which can vary based on situation). You cannot take one statement and apply it to all situations when 3 Person is a fluid system that changes constantly. And unless he heard it is OK to do that with the people he works for, I would caution him on thinking this is OK. I do often qualify my statements with answers that might not apply to the NF directly, since the NF does not run camps in most states and the NF leaves a lot of things on purpose to state representatives. Then again, you do whatever you think works for you Scrappy. But if you work in my state and you do this, it will not result in good evaluations. I can guarantee that one. ;)

Peace

That is indeed why I'm here, too. Thank you for taking my comments the way I intended them.

I didn't mean to do that. I was just trying to state what I thought the book was saying. Fortunately, someone else has posted a more "authoritative" quote from the NFHS.

NCAA-W there is no 5 second count on a dribble. Also, distance must be 3 feet or less and the dribbler must be holding the ball to start your 5 second count.

The closely guarded count can be conducted in the BC as well as the FC.

Good catch.

I am glad too. And that is why the IHSA does not use their books. That is a terrible mechanic and I have never taught that or been taught that. I am glad I do not have to follow it.

Peace

Are you sure about that? ;)

They'd better! If they don't (;) ), then they can consult me and I'll advise them on the procedure that I've used.

My take:

1) If you're "on the ball", you should have any needed counts.

2) "Not being taught to do" something is not the same as "Being taught not to do" something

3) Too many people hear "The facts of the game (as Jeff listed) mean that the lead 'never' has this call" and interpret it as "The lead need not use this mechanic."

4) The lead's area in a three-person game is 80% (SWAG) of the lead's area in a two-person game. If the lead counts in a two-person game, why not count in a three-person game?

5) The count *can* be part of crew communication -- telling T that L now has the ball and T should go off-ball.

IMO, it should be used (when appropriate). I use it and have not been told to stop.

Well the Head Clinician and Rules Interpreter does not condone the use. And I was on a game during his camp this summer when he told someone to not count from the Lead (one of my partners counted).

And considering that we do not use the NF book anymore (you will not get them anymore through the IHSA for a reason) I do not want to use something that is not on the PowerPoint. No where on the PowerPoint does it suggest the Lead ever give a count.

Peace

Reading this...

Yet from the recent shot clock thread...

Sounds like a bipolar relationship they have over there.... :D

/Yes I know the difference between hard and fast rules and fluid mechanics....

// By the way, I agree with your stance, neither my association nor camp system has ever suggested the lead should have a closely guarded count. Regional restrictions apply.

/// See Mark P. I can have sense of humor, and I don't need meds either. :D

//// Are slashies acceptable here?

Edit: spelling

Complying with a rule and complying with a mechanic is not the same thing. And the NF does not even try to preach or require compliance with their mechanics. I asked that very question of Mary Struckoff in person when she was giving a Presentation about the NF Online Class about 2 or 3 years ago. She made it clear the NF does not really care what a state does and gave a couple of examples of how it did not matter what a state did. Even rules interpretations are supposed to go through states first and filter to the national level. Even some rules can have interpretations that might not be clarified nationally.

Peace

I brought it up because, in fact, the NFHS did specify a procedure for this.

I just want to clarify information that I received confirmation (or confirm) yesterday at a clinic I was acting as a clinician.

The IHSA does not want the Lead official to ever have a closely-guarded count. What other states might do is likely different. This information came from a Rules Interpreter who is also a Certified Clinician that ran a clinic I attended on Sunday. This was emphasized as a clear difference from the NF.

Peace