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Mark Dexter Sat Jan 26, 2002 11:07am

NOT a good night last night.

Four rec ball games. I called four techs and two intentionals.

Two of the T's were part of a double technical foul. A1 drives in for the shot. B1 fouls A1. A2 is very unhappy about the foul and pushes B1. B1 then turns around and pushes A2. Double technical - we finally get everything sorted out and A1 gets his 2 shots.

My question: would any of you consider this a flagrant foul, as in a fighting situation? It was borderline, but in shoving matches, I've often seen regular technicals in situations like this.

BktBallRef Sat Jan 26, 2002 11:47am

Probably not, unless it escalated from there.

mick Sat Jan 26, 2002 02:32pm

Mark,
I agree with Tony.
It doesn't sound like either act was meant to maim, unless there was a push to the head or something similar.
mick

daves Sat Jan 26, 2002 02:34pm

It would be border line for me. I guess I would have to be there. If we can call a flagrant foul for fighting when players square off with fists doubled up but no punches are thrown shouldn't it be flagrant if players actually get into a shoving match?

mick Sat Jan 26, 2002 04:24pm

making a fist
 
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Originally posted by daves
If <u>we can call a flagrant foul for fighting when players square off with fists doubled up but no punches are thrown</u> shouldn't it be flagrant if players actually get into a shoving match?
daves,
I can't find that rule.
mick

BktBallRef Sat Jan 26, 2002 06:27pm

Quote:

Originally posted by daves
It would be border line for me. I guess I would have to be there. If we can call a flagrant foul for fighting when players square off with fists doubled up but no punches are thrown shouldn't it be flagrant if players actually get into a shoving match?
Why would you rule that the players were fighting if they just squared off and no punches were thrown?

paulis Sat Jan 26, 2002 09:42pm

Rec league? Adult ball? See ya!!

mick Sat Jan 26, 2002 11:06pm

Maybe it's handchecking.
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:

Originally posted by daves
It would be border line for me. I guess I would have to be there. If we can call a flagrant foul for fighting when players square off with fists doubled up but no punches are thrown shouldn't it be flagrant if players actually get into a shoving match?
Why would you rule that the players were fighting if they just squared off and no punches were thrown?

Tony,
I think the book has too many words.

<u>POE 4</u> - The measuring up of an opponent (<s>tagging</s>) is handchecking. :rolleyes:

mick


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