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paulis Thu Jan 24, 2002 01:57am

What do your associations do with regards to a banquet for the officials? Our group had a dinner, etc. this past Monday, Jan. 21. Our season is not over yet so some of us were working games and missed the affair. Seems to me that just after the season ends might be a better time. What do other folks do?

dblref Thu Jan 24, 2002 08:02am

Our banquet is held after the state finals. It is free for all members and $10.00 for a guest. We usually have a pretty good time and there are awards for JV official of the year, rec ball award of the year, and the biggie is an award (named for a former official), that goes to the varsity official of the year. The selection is made by a selection committee. Also, our assignor passes out gag awards (certificates) for things such as quickest T in a game (last year's winner gave it in 48 seconds!), most articles of clothing left at a school, etc. We look forward to her "certificates".

Brian Watson Thu Jan 24, 2002 08:51am

Ours is the Monday before the finals weekend. We go pretty high class, one of our members works at muirfield village so they hook us up.

Ref42 Thu Jan 24, 2002 09:23am

Ours is actually on the Monday night of the NCAA final game. It has been this way for over 20 years and we have used the same banquet facility for the past 10. Our only problem is over the past five years we seem to be not getting as many members as you would think to come out. I mean the banquet is part of your dues so it's already paid for by the officials, as we pay our dues a year in advance. It's an open bar with buffet style food from 6:30 PM until the end of the game, and the food is pretty good. Out of 150 members we probably only get 75 to 90 guys to come out.

Mark Dexter Thu Jan 24, 2002 11:07am

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Originally posted by dblref
Also, our assignor passes out gag awards (certificates) for things such as quickest T in a game (last year's winner gave it in 48 seconds!)
Does this include pre-game T's? If so, I had 3 before the start of a game once.

BTW, my IM league is seriously considering creating a "Mr. T" award - guess who the recipient would be this year!

zebraman Thu Jan 24, 2002 11:23am

We have had less and less attendance at our post-season ref banquet in the last few years so we are trying something different this year. Our final ref meeting (before the season ends) will be held at a pizza place and will be a combination meeting/party. Refs and their families are invited. Hopefully we'll have a big turnout since it's on a night that they are used to attending meetings (Mondays), it's before the season ends, and they get credit for attending a meeting by coming to the party.

Z

bigwhistle Thu Jan 24, 2002 11:29am

We have finally found a way to kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. We have our BBQ (banquet seemed to not be that popular) on the same night that we hold our elections for the coming season. This gets a better crowd for the meeting, cause we all like food that we already paid for, plus it gives a much better representation for the voting.

Since we do this in February, we do it on a Sunday evening, which takes away the excuse of having a game for over 95% of the members.

mlancast Thu Jan 24, 2002 12:30pm

We have ours after the season, usually in mid-April. Pretty high class, at a local country club or such. We hold elections for the next year AND hand out paychecks for the year just ended. This usually makes for a high percentage of attendees.

ReadyToRef Thu Jan 24, 2002 01:13pm

Banquet? What's a banquet?

ChuckElias Thu Jan 24, 2002 01:15pm

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Originally posted by mlancast
We. . .hand out paychecks for the year just ended.
What paychecks do you hand out? Payment for games? If so, why don't the schools send out the game checks? I don't understand at all :confused:

Chuck

physicsref Thu Jan 24, 2002 04:13pm

Paychecks
 
We also do paychecks at meetings.

Chuck, in our association, the schools contact the association for refs and pay the association, the association then cuts a check for your games. I find this very convenient.


Mark Dexter Thu Jan 24, 2002 04:17pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by mlancast
We. . .hand out paychecks for the year just ended.
What paychecks do you hand out? Payment for games? If so, why don't the schools send out the game checks? I don't understand at all :confused:

Chuck

Payment through the association, perhaps?

ChuckElias Thu Jan 24, 2002 04:20pm

Re: Paychecks
 
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Originally posted by physicsref
in our association, the schools contact the association for refs and pay the association, the association then cuts a check for your games.
I've been on this board and McGriff's for 5 years, and this is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing. Not sure I like it, but it's interesting.

Does the association provide you with a breakdown of payments for each school you worked? If not, how do you know that you got paid for all your games?

Chuck

rainmaker Thu Jan 24, 2002 11:04pm

Re: Re: Paychecks
 
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by physicsref
in our association, the schools contact the association for refs and pay the association, the association then cuts a check for your games.
I've been on this board and McGriff's for 5 years, and this is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing. Not sure I like it, but it's interesting.

Does the association provide you with a breakdown of payments for each school you worked? If not, how do you know that you got paid for all your games?

Chuck

PBOA (Portland Basketball Officials Association) does it this way. They collect from the schoolw and pay us. The assignor takes his cut off the top. It works out great, since we don't have to do the collecting ourselves. We get a list of what schools we worked at and when, what level and so on. It also includes mileage. I highly recommend it.

dblref Fri Jan 25, 2002 07:58am

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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Quote:

Originally posted by dblref
Also, our assignor passes out gag awards (certificates) for things such as quickest T in a game (last year's winner gave it in 48 seconds!)
Does this include pre-game T's? If so, I had 3 before the start of a game once.

BTW, my IM league is seriously considering creating a "Mr. T" award - guess who the recipient would be this year!

I noted in some of your previous posts that you "T" a lot. Is this basically because you work intramural games? I was in a fraternity in college so I know what @ssholes or team was.

dblref Fri Jan 25, 2002 08:07am

Re: Re: Re: Paychecks
 
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by physicsref
in our association, the schools contact the association for refs and pay the association, the association then cuts a check for your games.
I've been on this board and McGriff's for 5 years, and this is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing. Not sure I like it, but it's interesting.

Does the association provide you with a breakdown of payments for each school you worked? If not, how do you know that you got paid for all your games?

Chuck

PBOA (Portland Basketball Officials Association) does it this way. They collect from the schoolw and pay us. The assignor takes his cut off the top. It works out great, since we don't have to do the collecting ourselves. We get a list of what schools we worked at and when, what level and so on. It also includes mileage. I highly recommend it.

Cardinal Basketball Officials Association (CBOA) does it the same way. We usually get paid 3 times a year: Fall Ball (girls A & AA) plus rec games; Winter Ball which is the BIG check; and Summer Ball which is basically only rec games, but includes what we did in the spring. We receive 2 separate listings (rec & scholastic) which lists the date, time, and location of all games we worked. Our check includes both programs. In my area, the association contracts with the high schools and different rec programs. We do not contract any games on our own. If we do (for some unknown reason), CBOA is not responsible for anything adverse that happens -- you are on your own. This works fine for me.

Mark Dexter Fri Jan 25, 2002 09:45am

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Originally posted by dblref
I noted in some of your previous posts that you "T" a lot. Is this basically because you work intramural games? I was in a fraternity in college so I know what @ssholes or team was.
You got it!

There's actually a CBOA guy who works IM's at our school from time to time. Ask him about the stuff with which we have to deal!

Bart Tyson Fri Jan 25, 2002 10:07am

Our banquet is very similar to dblref's post, lots of fun. 3rd week of March, on a night that doesn't interfere with anything.

Physicsref, Do you mean you get one check for the season?

ChuckElias Fri Jan 25, 2002 11:26am

Re: Re: Re: Paychecks
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rainmaker
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PBOA (Portland Basketball Officials Association) does it this way. They collect from the schoolw and pay us. The assignor takes his cut off the top.
The assignor takes a piece of your check?!?!? Really? Why? The officials are resposible for paying the assignor? I've never heard of such a thing. Here, the assignor is paid one game fee for each team's schedule that he assigns. The payment is from the school. So if the school has boys and girls varsity, boys and girls JV and a boys freshman team, then the assignor would be paid $62 each for the boys and girls varsity schedules, $44 each for the boys and girls JV schedules, and $38 (I think) for the freshman schedule, for a total of $250 from that school.

Why do the officials pay for the assigning duties?

Chuck

bigwhistle Fri Jan 25, 2002 11:35am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
[QUOTE
Why do the officials pay for the assigning duties?

Chuck

In Texas, our association is not allowed to charge the schools for scheduling their games. Because of this, in order to compensate the secretaries who do the scheduling, they must be paid by the individual chapter (sorta like a board for you IAABO types).

In our chapter, the secretary is paid $2 for each varsity assignment, and the sub-varsity assignors get $1.25 per game. BTW, our varsity secretary probably makes over $20k per season.

For those of you who get your payments through your local officiating associations, do you also get benefits? This is coming very very close to turning the situation into a employer/emp;oyee kinda thing.

mlancast Fri Jan 25, 2002 12:41pm

In Georgia, the association bills the school at the end of the season and the association pays its refs. (There are 26 associations in the State) Works out well and makes for a nice sized check. I prefer it this way, if I got paid more frequently, I'd blow the cash!!!


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