Ever throw out a score keeper
 

This was 8th grade basketball, parents doing the books.

Every foul that was made against his team, he had a comment for me. After about 3 reports, I told him that he needed to keep his comments to himself, that he was an official and needed to keep his bias to himself. After a couple more incidents, I asked if any of the parents on the sideline would be kind enough to relieve the current score keeper. One was nice enough to agree to help.

The old score keeper gets out of his chair and starts heading over to sit down to watch the game. But he blurts out something to the effect of "If you thought I was making comments before, wait till you hear me now." At which point I gave him the boot.

Not sure if this was handled the best, but it sure made the rest of the game easier.

I had my timer/clock operator get the boot last year. Exact same scenario.

p.s. He is also a registered BBall and Vball Official.

I'd've run him too. Good job.

Well, you can't legally shoot him, so your solution sounds good to me.

There's always the old "Let's trade places. You come out here and call the game, and I'll sit there and act like a jackass." Works with coaches, too. :D

That's only true for the blue states.

Your comment cracked me up, JR. Actually, Oregon is a blue state, but it's OK to shoot people here as long as you use a hunting rifle, have a permit and you don't shoot anyone who's on a bicycle. Oh yeah - you can't do this in Eugene or NW Portland (inside joke for locals). Or, if you're a school teacher in Medford (another inside joke for locals).

I agree - have game management give him the heave ho (and no Mark, that's not a form of puking on his shoes :D ).

Absolutely no reason to put up with this......

FYI - I've found that for some unknown reason, it's more disturbing to them to puke on their shoes if their shoes have laces, rather than being loafers. Dunno why. Maybe I'll do a scientific study on the topic. I'm sure I can get government funding. ;)

This right here tells me it was the right thing. There may be minor details for you to personally review and question: such as words you said or faces you made or who you told to escort him out. But overall, good job.

That's right: in red states, the "he needed killin' " defense still works.

Had it happened in a girls AAU game, varsity players. Star player, picked up some cheap fouls, parent at the table took it out personally on my partner. He actually started cursing him out, right there in public. Never had that happen before, didn't know what to do. Needless to say, he embarass the heck out of his daugher, and finally the host came over and replace him. Thank goodness!

Good job giving him the boot after that last comment.

I was really close to doing this last season. The guy at the table was very vocal, and shook his head every time I reported a foul on his team. I didn't hear any more from him after I loudly said "if I hear any more from you we can find someone else to keep score (scorebook)." Actually, he responded to that with "I only have a few minutes left anyhow". I should have run him then. I was just thankful he wasn't doing the next game I guess.

Twice in my career...once in a HS Varsity game, once in a D-II game. Both times had the total support of my association/supervisor.

Best one I ever saw was watching a buddy ref a HS State Championship game...his partner calls the 4th and 5th fouls on losing team's "star" player (both legit calls right in front of him) and kid's Mom is sitting at the table as their scorekeeper. The State has an official scorekeeper, but teams can have their own sit beside him/her...anyway, Mom pops off with some comment that makes the partner stop and turn back towards the table. My buddy was already headed that way as they were switching so he says "I've got it partner" and walks to the table and leans toward Mom and says:

"I understand you are frustrated, but you aren't allowed to make comments from the table."

So she asks "Well then where can I make comments from?"

Buddy doesn't miss a beat and replies "The parking lot."

So she got up and walked out of the stadium...

Wait a minute - I thought you said you never called "cheap" fouls on a "star" player. Oh, right - it must have been your partner. :rolleyes:

I threw out 3 scorekeepers last summer.

Was working a game at a school close to home. Scorekeeper was my English teach in high school, every call we made against them she would shake her heak or do somthing inappropriate. Finally, I call a block, she gives me that look so while I'm walking and reporting I just keep going till I'm at the table. I lean over like I'm checkin something in the book, and speak really quietly, "now Sally (yeah, by here first name, take that old English teacher!), you know you're on our crew tonight, I can't have you making comments and gestures on the calls, if you can't conduct yourself properly, I'll have you removed and find someone who can." You should have seen the feathers ruffle!!!!! Punk *** kid from school is about to throwo me out!!! She never liked my anyways, but we never have trouble now.

CLH:D

I've only ever thought about it once. The guy was running the clock in a rural school. He let a few seconds run off after the whistle and I since I had looked at the clock, I requested that he put the proper time back on. He took serious offence at that. I assured him at halftime that it was not my intention to embarras him, and he was unwilling to make nice about it. And I thought country folk were supposed to be so friendly :D. If we had had a problem with him the second half, I would have probably dismissed him. But the it went smoothly from there on out.

Come to find out, he's the brother of a really great guy in my association. Go figure. :rolleyes:

Did it once; came close another time. AAU boys tourney. The scorekeeper was yapping at the opposing team's coach. After one warning, he did not stop...and was now threatening to fight the guy. After he was removed, someone tells me he is the varsity coach at a large school. Go figure.

Second time...the scorekeeper is "commenting" on every call against his team (usually with a quiet comment or a shake of the head). At halftime, my partner tells me he is not only the scorer, but he is also the athletic director! I can hear it now, "Mr. AD, would you please remove the scorer and replace him with someone who will remain quiet." Diplomacy prevailed....my partner announced to the "table" that they needed to be impartial for the second half. He was fine the rest of the way.

I think there's a website where you can watch a video of a schoolteacher shaking her heak, but it's a pay site. :(

I knew a guy who got fired for going to that website at work.

True story - just this morning I was returning a voice mail message at my office and I dialed one wrong digit and got a porn line. When I finally contacted the correct person, I told him what happened. He asked me what number I dialed to get the porn line. It was a little weird, because once I mentioned it, he seemed really anxious to get that number. :eek:

I threw out a dad that was working the table during a JH game I believe during my second year. I have not had such a problem sense. This same guy was thrown out later in another game by my partner for insensitive comment while his guy was a fan in the stands. This particular school was happy when all his children left the program and graduated.

Peace

I've had 3 problems. Once in a MS game, the scorekeeper was shaking his head at almost every foul called on the home team. It was a blowout game and as the game neared the end the team behind got bumped right as she hit midcourt - tried to gain her balance - but stepped out of bounds - probably took 3-5 seconds. I called the foul - and the scorekeeper jumped up and said WHAT? I just pointed to the door and said OUT. Informed him that he WAS on my team.

I had a HS varsity game that the SK kept shaking her head on every single call - didn't matter what the call was, she didn't agree. I had a foul at the table and the ball ended up under the table - she shook her head in disbelief and I then went to retrieve the ball at the table. I leaned over to her and very quietly said, "If I see you shake your head one more time - so much as a nervous twitch, you are going home. Do you understand?" The other SK looked at me and mouthed the words "thank you".

Finally, last year, my partner counted a shot at the buzzer at halftime and the student at the table made the "wave-off" motion. My partner RAN to the table and RIPPED him. Actually made the kid cry . . . then the coach of his team went over and ripped him more. As we came out at halftime, a member of the school board came up to us and chastised us to which my partner told him quietly get back in the stands or head to his car. Funny.

Never had to kick out a scorekeeper. I have, however, worked the table a few times with other people who I thought should have been relieved.

I once removed a guy from the chain crew in football (ended up earning a 15-yarder and a trip to the parking lot) and did have my infamous varsity coach ejection where the guy came back claiming to be "game management." :rolleyes:

Fun times . . .

"No, you don't." would have worked well here.

Hmm, the stories I could tell from my side of the table. I'll chose my favorite three.

A couple of years ago, a MS Girls ref wanted to toss me for signalling 1 and 1 just because i wasn't the official scorer. :(

Last year, i wished I was empowered to toss a MS Boys coach for cussing out our timer. He had laryngitis and was unable to call for a time out and told her to "blow the G* D* horn!" I yelled back "john, don't cuss out my timekeeper!" (He was my HS JV coach and is known for cursing like a sailor). he eventually apologized. If I knew he was coaching this year and thought I could get away with it, I'd bring my croquet cards with me and give him a yellow card if he cussed her out again. :D

Several years ago in CYO ball, we played a team that had beat us by 20 the first time. Before the game, I even heard the coach make a comment to the effect it was going to be an easy game. But for this game, we had some new personnel and the game went down to last play. With under 10 seconds to go, there is a scramble in the paint and either a foul or jump ball call. The timer, who was a student, stopped the clock when she heard what she thought was the whistle. I thought i had heard the whistle blow as well. Anyways, the visiting coach runs up to the table screaming at the timer that she stopped the clock to soon. I can't remeber what I did; either I told him very firmly not to yell at her or told the official to relay the message. The officials did want 1 or 2 seconds taken off. But we still lost by one and he got his win, although it wasn't the walk over he was obviously expecting. :P

Croquet cards? CROQUET CARDS????? AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I have a mostly informal league with friends (although the competition itself may prove otherwise). We use yellow and red cards for those cases where things just get too out of hand. Not sure how many yellow cards we've given out inn 4 years (< 10 I'd bet), but only one red card in 4 years (and no yellow-red DQs). :D

I have never thrown out a scorekeeper, but I have changed the "Official" title To the other side of the table in a 2nd quarter.

Middle school kid wouldn't pay attention.
Visiting Coach's wife was on it. ;)

One more story
 

I forgot one more story from last year. CYO 7th & 8th grade girls level. We're on the road. I got a late start so i literally get there right as the warm-ups end. (I think the girl that was going to take place was relieved). I didn't have time to get full names for the opponents into my scoresheets, so I told the scorer I'd get them at halftime.

At halftime, I go to copy the rest of the names, and the book is missing. :eek: Apparently, the assistant coach took it back to the locker room at the half.

3rd quarter is ready to start and the book isn't ready, so i got designated the official scorekeeper for the 2nd half. Luckily, I keep my black & white top packed with me. Original scorer wasn't ejected, but now had no book and nothing to do for the rest of the game, except wonder when we'd stop pressing :p After the game, I let the other team's assistant coach know she was risking a T by removing the book at home games. She didn't seem to care one way or another.

Pretty sure that's only for an NCAA game.

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While the NFHS does have a rule on this, a penalty of any kind has never been specified. It would have to be a use of 2-3. ;)

The last sentence of 2-11-11 says, "The official scorebook shall remain at the scorer's table throughout the game, including all intermissions."

NCAA rules do specify that removal of the scorebook is a technical foul.

What is the penalty in NF then for violating 2-11-11 "The official scorebook shall remain at the scorers table throughout the game, including all intermissions." ?

I think I missed a test question on this one: Situation: During halftime intermission, home coach takes the official scorebook into the locker room. Ruling: Technical foul.

I put true. oops

If the book says something shall be, doesn't it indicate consequences if otherwise happens?

Apparently, since this is listed under scorer's duties, it is supposed to be understood that the scorer should take whatever action necessary to insure that the book stays at the table. But, in the real world, many scorekeepers are not aware that this is in the book. So when they come back from the bathroom and say, "Where's the book?" "Oh, the coach took it." They merely shrug. Then when the officials see the coach return to the floor carrying the book, what can they do? "Hey, coach, you're not supposed to take the book."

Kinda like WWF. No hitting with the closed fist. But when they do it.......
(and they do it, over and over)

Fifty lashes with a wet noodle to the scorekeeper for allowing the book to be removed.

That would be worth the price of admissions to see :D

Would anyone consider making the visitor's book official if it was moved or not back at the table by the time the 3rd quarter is ready?

Yeah - I see squirrels hit chipmunks all the time at World Wildlife Fund dinners. Since you used the term WWF, I guess you're not up-to-date on your lawsuits. ;)

No, I would never wear a suit like a lawyer. I prefer t-shirts with no sleeves.