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rockyroad Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:40pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Just because you have your head up your a**, doesn't mean you can describe that action you are doing as scrubbing behind your ears. ;)

Ya know Bob, you don't zing people very often, but when you do - holy cow, you really zing them good! Gonna have to remember to be on my guard with you around!!:D

And btw, you can rip on M&M all you like! You have my blessings in that endeavor...

M&M Guy Thu Sep 20, 2007 01:21pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Just because you have your head up your a**, doesn't mean you can describe that action you are doing as scrubbing behind your ears. ;)

You're just jealous because I can accomplish more than one thing at a time.

Hey, don't look at me; I didn't start this...

M&M Guy Thu Sep 20, 2007 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
Ya know Bob, you don't zing people very often, but when you do - holy cow, you really zing them good! Gonna have to remember to be on my guard with you around!!:D

That's if you can catch him when he's awake.

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
And btw, you can rip on M&M all you like! You have my blessings in that endeavor...

<font size = 1>Can you feel it coming:</font size>

Shut up.

Dan_ref Thu Sep 20, 2007 01:43pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Just because you have your head up your a**, doesn't mean you can describe that action you are doing as scrubbing behind your ears. ;)

ouch...that's gonna hurt tomorrow morning...

bigdog5142 Thu Sep 20, 2007 01:49pm

Maybe I have the "old book", but in the NFHS 2005-2007 Official's Manual, numbers 273-275 pertain to time-out positioning. This states that both officials take positions opposite and facing the scorer's table on the nearest block. On 30-second time-outs, the officials take positions a the top of the arc. At the first horn, each official tells the huddle closest to them "first horn" and then assumes positions to resume play. Am I reading this wrong? I officiated in 1996-1998 in Oregon and the mechanic was the throw-in administering official took the ball to the throw-in spot and the other official took position mid-court opposite the table halfway between the center circle and the opposite sideline. I just want to get my mechanics straight as they've changed in the last 8 years! Thanks!

bob jenkins Thu Sep 20, 2007 01:52pm

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Originally Posted by bigdog5142
Maybe I have the "old book", but in the NFHS 2005-2007 Official's Manual,

It's been changed.

M&M Guy Thu Sep 20, 2007 01:53pm

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Originally Posted by bigdog5142
Maybe I have the "old book", but in the NFHS 2005-2007 Official's Manual, numbers 273-275 pertain to time-out positioning. This states that both officials take positions opposite and facing the scorer's table on the nearest block. On 30-second time-outs, the officials take positions a the top of the arc. At the first horn, each official tells the huddle closest to them "first horn" and then assumes positions to resume play. Am I reading this wrong? I officiated in 1996-1998 in Oregon and the mechanic was the throw-in administering official took the ball to the throw-in spot and the other official took position mid-court opposite the table halfway between the center circle and the opposite sideline. I just want to get my mechanics straight as they've changed in the last 8 years! Thanks!

Yep, that's from the "old" book. Follow the link JR posted - the Fed is essentially going back to what you remember from Oregon.

I'm going to go take another shower.

bigdog5142 Thu Sep 20, 2007 02:06pm

This is the book that the MHSAA (Michigan) sent to me...should I assume that we're using this mechanic? I've got JH Girls Basketball right now and the official rules meeting for us isn't until October for HS games...I guess I'll contact my assignor. :)

Thanks for the clarification M&M's!

Adam Thu Sep 20, 2007 02:14pm

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Originally Posted by bigdog5142
This is the book that the MHSAA (Michigan) sent to me...should I assume that we're using this mechanic? I've got JH Girls Basketball right now and the official rules meeting for us isn't until October for HS games...I guess I'll contact my assignor. :)

Thanks for the clarification M&M's!

Pre-game it with your partner, make a decision, and go with it. :)

Scrapper1 Thu Sep 20, 2007 03:51pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
You obviously haven't seen me wearing the new CCA jacket.

I just got an email telling me that Honig's shipped mine out today.

Old School Thu Sep 20, 2007 04:22pm

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Originally Posted by JohnBark
And who cares if it was my first ever game officiating or my first game of the year? It has NOTHING to do with the question, which was to find out how the rest of the official acrossed the country who read and post topics here are handling the situation that we ALL must deal with if you are working any 2-man this year.

My feelings exactly.

Old School Thu Sep 20, 2007 04:43pm

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Originally Posted by lukealex
I haven't read anything about the new rules this year because I don't know if I'll be officiating due to moving constantly for work but I would, personally, tell the team away from the end of the floor I will be situating myself first horn first, then go past the other team with the first one warning. Seems logical to me, I haven't read the entire thread yet (page or so to go), but I would like to know what the actual procedure is defined to be

Here is the change for this in English. I should have just wrote this instead of trying to describe it in my own words.

The timeout and intermission postions have been changed so that the administering official will stand where the ball will be resumed and the non-adminstering official will stand facing the table on the division line (on the circle nearest the table for a 30 sec. TO and on the circle farthest from the table for a 60 second timeout.)

The Committe felt that keeping an official at the location of the ball (as opposed to the blocks) will eliminate questions during timeouts as to where the ball will be inbounded or where play will resume. The off-ball official will be near the table to handle any subs or questions from the table.

Now, if you are the reporting official at the top and the ball will be inbounded at the top. You will report, signal to the timer to start the TO clock, then go get the ball and stand at the inbound spot. The other official could be at the baseline (lead position), must now come to the division line. This official will also notify both teams of the first horn warning.

mick Thu Sep 20, 2007 04:54pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
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Now, if you are the reporting official at the top and the ball will be inbounded at the top. You will report, signal to the timer to start the TO clock, then go get the ball and stand at the inbound spot. The other official could be at the baseline (lead position), must now come to the division line. This official will also notify both teams of the first horn warning.

Huh ? http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/la...smiley-011.gif

Adam Thu Sep 20, 2007 05:07pm

Okay, just for clarification.
The official who calls and reports the timeout will stand at the division line. The non-calling official takes the ball and stands where he/she will administer the ensuing throwin.

lukealex Thu Sep 20, 2007 05:16pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
Here is the change for this in English. I should have just wrote this instead of trying to describe it in my own words.

The timeout and intermission postions have been changed so that the administering official will stand where the ball will be resumed and the non-adminstering official will stand facing the table on the division line (on the circle nearest the table for a 30 sec. TO and on the circle farthest from the table for a 60 second timeout.)

The Committe felt that keeping an official at the location of the ball (as opposed to the blocks) will eliminate questions during timeouts as to where the ball will be inbounded or where play will resume. The off-ball official will be near the table to handle any subs or questions from the table.

Now, if you are the reporting official at the top and the ball will be inbounded at the top. You will report, signal to the timer to start the TO clock, then go get the ball and stand at the inbound spot. The other official could be at the baseline (lead position), must now come to the division line. This official will also notify both teams of the first horn warning.

Well I guess you missed the part where I said I haven't read anything about the rule or mechanics changes which forced me to describe it in my own words.


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