I was referring to failure to award a meritted free throw (bonus sit). did I quote the wrong rule? curses... thought i had that memorized.

Aren't you describing a multiple foul?

How many actually call "multiple" fouls? I do see double fouls, but have never witnessed a multiple called. I am certain it happens; perhaps during a drive to the basket, but have not seen anyone call it.

Most of what you are looking for is on the scoreboard, including the player and # of fouls that player has. Team fouls are always up, some clocks show timeouts left (TOL). If the team fouls are not up on the clock, I would go to the table to check for this periodically, and this only. The rest I don't care about. I don't care about timeouts until the last minute of the game and the only thing I care then is if they got a timeout left. How many they have, I don't need to know that information. Some officials will tell you this team has 3 and this team has 2. I'm like so what! The only thing I need to know is when they don't have any left, then we need to alert them. Other than that, it's wasted energy, imho....

Yes, I am. We tell our officials <b>never</b> to call <b>any</b> fouls at any time by the "star" system. We ain't the NBA. If 2 fouls are committed at the same time, they certainly can decide to assign only one foul if they want to, but they better not be using your "star" criteria to do so.

I can understand your having to do so if your assignor wants it that way. You don't really have much choice. I just don't agree with that particular assignor's philosophy.

That's fine. And again, my question to you is: how to you advise your officials which foul to call? Until you answer my question, you have missed my point.

Edit: you've only told me what system your officials don't use.

Never a multiple, as I recall.

I've called a false double twice. Once in camp with a P. Once by myself: B1 has roots and as A1 is airborne, gets a nice loud slap across the arm from B2. Then, A1 throws a body-strike onto B1.

while reading the definition in the rules, it seemed like more time would pass before the second foul, in my mind anyway. this is a good example. i will store it away for future use. thanks...

I think you are taking the comments out of context. I did not say any of this that you have suggested in any way. I think knowing this kind of thing is a knowledge thing than calling something different. The reason I want to know who the stars are because anything that happens to them is going to be the topic of conversation with the coach. I had a coach one time claim we were not calling enough fouls in favor of his "All-Americans" (his words not mine). I do not think I have read anyone else suggest we do not call the game properly either. I think most people unfairly try to turn this philosophy into a nefarious practice that is not there.

And I would like you to find a single quote in which I said any different or anyone else (please do not refer to the village idiot on this topic) for that matter.

I would also suggest that the end of the game is likely considered a more important part of the game than the very beginning. Considering that usually what happens at the end gets magnified as compared to what happens at the beginning. If I screw up a foul call on the very first play of the game that will not be remembered if the last call of the game was made correctly. For me I want to have as much information so I can stay focused. I also want my calls to be solid near the end if I have not had the best effort the rest of the game.


Now what cha got? :D

Peace

Rut - who ever said I was referring to you? ;) I'd consider it an honor to work any game with you. Oh yeah - you'd have to provide air fare and per diem.

Given the definition of false-double, you've probably called more than 2.

You did not have to be referring to me at all. I am very sorry for being presumptive. :D

Peace

What each official chooses to call if there are 2 fouls committed on the same player at approximately the same time is up to the individual official, as long as they <b>NEVER</b> go the "star" route. The correct call probably is a multiple foul, but nobody really wants to see one of those called either....unless the defenders are both putting someone into the fourth row. The criteria usually used is to try and decide if one foul occurred slightly before the other, or if the contact from one foul was more severe than the other foul. That will usually take care of the situation. After that, I don't care if they flip a coin, as long as they <b>DON'T</b> use the "star" logic.

To be quite honest, I've never heard of another association instructing their officials to call it that way. Anybody else in the same position as Juggler?

They're common as hell actually. The usual one is a foul of some kind(personal or technical) called after an initial foul(personal or technical) was called, but before the clock starts next. It could be a technical foul for a coach complaining or a player retaliating, double unsporting technicals on players, fouls during FT's, etc. The only other criteria needed is that you have fouls by both teams.