NCAA Coaching Box POE
 

I just got this in my email yesterday. It came from "Senior Associate Commissioner" of my college association.

"Having just returned from the NCAA Basketball Officiating meetings in Indianapolis and while it is still fresh in my mind, I wanted to convey a message from the NCAA Basketball Committee regarding the new point of emphasis as it relates to bench decorum and the coach's box.To be specific, the interpretation of this new point of emphasis simply states that if the coach is out of the coach's box - for whatever reason - (other than when he's permitted to be), a technical foul should be assessed."

The emphasis is mine, but has anybody else heard this? Does anybody expect it to actually be carried out?

Of <b>course</b>, it'll be carried out.

Both the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus told me so.

Heard about it, but haven't gotten anything official from the "boss" yet. Can't imagine it will be followed that closely - how often do you notice a coach who is simply standing outside the box. If they are yelling and carrying on they get my attention, but just standing there???

Yes.

We'll see.

What if he has to go to the bathroom? :confused:

Then he should remember to tuck his clipboard into his shirt.

Yes I do. Just like any rule you need support from everyone to do this.

I was told that the Big East specifically as a conference want this called very closely (before this POE was announced) because they felt the coaches were getting out of hand. And they have almost a zero tolerance for the coaches on this matter.

Now it takes for a supervisor and a conference to support the officials. Also the last year or so the Coach's association has been getting behind the calling of things closer than they have been in the past.

Peace

No, I do not expect it to be realistically carried out. They need to drop this or step up and fix it once and for all. If the coaches being out of the box is a major issue for the committee, you fix it by seatbelting them or removing the box altogether, period. One technical and their butt's on the bench. Screaming for us to fix this when we have a multitude of other issues to worry about, is passing the buck imho.

Until they come up with a penality for officials not calling this, it's just not going to be enforce on a consistent level across the country. You can make it a POE every year and we'll say okay. I'll try to remember to mention it at the pregame conference so as to let them know, here's your warning. I see you at half court, technical. Right! No, what will probably happen more often than not is coach please get back in the box.

Technicals won't be called, because coaches are too powerful. That's what I'm told, anyway. They might start taking away officials' birthdays if they try to call this too strictly.

I think as soon as they drop a T on Coach K in the closing minutes of a close game against NC...then the coaches will know we mean business :D

In related news, Santa Claus has openings for workers needed by Dec 25

One of the things I have done and i will agree it's probably not the correct way to go about doing it, is if I have a lot of negativity coming from a bench, I will then enforce the box a lot tighter or closer. If a bench is behaving themselves and not bothering me unnecessary, then I will be a little more lenient or I simply don't watch it as close as the committee is recommending.

It will be very interesting to see how closely it is enforced in the NCAA-M game this year with calling officials going back to opposite.

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About as enthusiastically as officalls are about calling a T in NCAA for not having players and starters submitted before the 10:00 mark. :p

I don't think coaches have to seat for college - the "seatbelt rule" is for NFHS only. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

There is no seatbelt rule in NCAA Rules. You are correct.

Peace

Well, I'm sure that's not what he (VI) meant.

Yer right.
Old School wrote that if the CCA thought it was a serious problem then they, or the NCAA, or whoever makes those decisions, would add a penalty instead of emphasizing an existing penalty of a technical foul, which is unenforceable until the TV officials start calling 'em in real games and continue to call them through the tourney.

In our local kids rec league, we don't recognize a coaching box. Sure makes things a lot easier. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...es/2thumbs.gif

That is correct. But think about it, this whole issue goes away if you remove the coaching box altogether and it would be very easy to administer. One problem I see here is the punishment doesn't fit the crime, therefore, it's going to be very hard to get this enforce consistently nationwide. With the game in the balance, no official is going to want to call this, without a warning first. Then we talked about game interrupters, where you call something that most might feel doesn't need to be called, just a stern warning not to do it again, and you keep the game moving.

Give you an example. I once had a game go into triple overtime. At one point in the second overtime, my partner made a bad call. The coach couldn't believe it and ran out to half court to meet the calling official pleating his case. It was a bad call. Neither one of us wanted the game to end this way so we past on the T and told the coach to get back to his huddle. Now, we got one bad call and we're going to compund it with a T on the coach. Guaranteed, if we would have made that call, we would have had a hard time getting out of that gym.

I think the committee needs to regroup on this one and come up with something that is more reasonable, more feasible, something that all the referee's can get behind. That way it would be enforce consistently across the board.

If you ever aspire to be a <b>real</b> official one day, you <b>will</b> have to grow some balls, VI. You <b>never</b> pass on a righteous call just because it might also be an unpopular call.

I don't have a problem with you warning a coach, under certain circumstances. I do have a problem when you try to justify that warning simply because you were afraid of the crowd's reaction or because you didn't want to piss off a coach.

Have you ever seen a situation where starters weren't submitted by the ten-minute mark?

Why was he folding his bag in the middle of a game? :confused: Or - do you mean bleating? That would make more sense.

I think this happened in the NCAA men's tournament a year or two ago.

I thought maybe the coach was working on the uniforms, in which case the T would be entirely appropriate. Pleats are clearly not legal!

Welcome to the real world.

Just so we are on the same page. It's not so much that I was afraid of the crowds reaction as i was my assigner reaction when you consider that we kicked the call, then T up the coach and this decided the game. Sometimes, although I will admit this may not work in every situation, but sometimes it's best not to throw gasoline on a fire. The coach was not irrate and out of line, just out of the coaches box onto the court, in fact he was about at half court before i caught up to him. Double overtime game, great game, how about this, very subtly coach, I need you to step back off the court and I will get my partner to come over and explain the call to you. Saves the embarassing technical for "all" of us, a little bit of game management, dodges a potential damaging situation.

I'd love to know details. In my experience, the starters are designated well ahead of time for tourney games.

For regular-season games, as a scorekeeper, I would sometimes have to chase down coaches right at the 10-minute mark, but I always had starters by the deadline.

Old School,

I'm with you on that. I had something similar, but I didn't know the assignor was in the stands. He does that from time to time. This game decided who goes into the playoffs. The coach didn't like the call one of my partners made. I too asked him to get back in the box. He said I want to talk about this call. I told him I'll meet him at his coaching box. There we were able to talk about the call. My assignor after the game told me I handle that situation properly. Very close game and very intense. Also the league commissioner was in attendance. Also said our crew did a great job. If a coach is willing to work with you, don't trouble trouble. The other coach didn't say anything about about giving a tech. Great game!