Traveling

[oppool]

Rookie ump with this one that I saw a couple weeks ago with 4th grade girls

Player A1 when dribbling down on a fast break when she quit dribbling and pull up her feet would continue sliding on the court for another foot or more. It looked weird and I am guessing she was wearing tennis shoes instead of basketball shoes that allowed her to slide when trying to come to a stop.

Traveling or No call


Thanks

Don

[Bart Tyson]

by rule, violation. in this game, no call.

[rgaudreau]

I agree with Bart on this one.

Often at that level, kids are playing on bad, slippery floors. No traction, and often the shoes aren't the best either.

I got nothing on this one.

Ren

[Slider]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson
by rule, violation. in this game, no call.

I have been told this is a travel, but have never seen a ruling that backs it up. Have you seen a Case?

Why would you call a travel if they don't lift (step) their pivot foot (at any level of play)?

You allow a person to slide to a stop on a dive for a ball; why is this different?

Thanks.

[Bart Tyson]

how about dragging the pivot foot.

[paulis]

No travel. Is this not equivalent to skidding on one's chest with the ball after diving for it? Point of contact has not changed.

[Slider]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson
how about dragging the pivot foot.

If you voluntarily drag the foot then I have a travel, but I don't when sliding to a stop--until someone gives me a good reason to. Try 4-43-3 and 4, both talk about limitations after coming to a stop.

[Edited by Slider on Jan 22nd, 2002 at 08:24 PM]

[BktBallRef]

By rule, this is traveling. The difference in this play and a player diving and sliding is that there's no pivot foot when diving and sliding. There is a pivot foot in this play. The rule is 4-43-1.

Traveling (running with the ball) is moving a foot or feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits while holding the ball. The limits on foot movements are as follows:
A player who catches the ball with both feet on the floor, may pivot, using either foot. When one foot is lifted, the other is the pivot foot.

This player moved both feet without pivoting. Note that the prescribed limits say the player may pivot. It does not say they can slide.

[Slider]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
By rule, this is traveling. The difference in this play and a player diving and sliding is that there's no pivot foot when diving and sliding. There is a pivot foot in this play. The rule is 4-43-1.

4-43-1 is for a player standing, 2, 3, and 4 address a player moving, and all set foot movement limits after the player has stopped.

[BktBallRef]

Where in 4-43-1 do you see the word "stop?"

[Slider]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Where in 4-43-1 do you see the word "stop?"

I don't; the player is standing still. Therefore, it doesn't apply.

In 4-43-2, 4-43-3, and 4-43-4 you have a player stopping (possibly sliding to a stop). AFTER he stops there are limits on his foot movements.

[BktBallRef]

There's absolutely nothing in 4-43-1 that indicates that the player has to be standing still. It only says that both feet are on the ground. The pivot foot does not have to be lifted to have traveling. It only has to be moved. That's why the rule says that traveling "is moving a foot or feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits while holding the ball." If a foot slides, it has definitely moved.

[Slider]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
If a foot slides, it has definitely moved.

You are right, I finally understand. Disregard my previous messages.

Thanks for setting me straight.

Message to self: Think limits, think pivot, think "spin"