Not only get rid of running and jumping, get rid of the ball. That should stop a lot of the problems.

Maybe we could play it like a board game. You get a bunch of players on each side of the board, some taller than others, some quicker than others, and some more versatile than others.

Not sure what to call it, though.

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Yes. It's how he gets his entertainment. He is not an official and knows nothing about officiating. He comes here only to post inane and/or insulting comments and then laugh when people get all worked up about it.

But he's not trying to persuade anyone. He's simply an idiot who gets his jollies by stirring up trouble. Guess how many people are on my ignore list. One. Care to guess who it is?

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Woddy?

I never would have thought of that.

Have you heard the song it's too late to turn back now....well, it's too late, damage has been done. Just ask Michael Vick, or Pres. Bush. Now, you want me to believe all of a sudden you like me. That's funny:D :D :D

First of all, not every bit of contact to the torso if a foul, only when a player spots up LGP is contact to the torso crucial. You shouldn't hate it, it's a very good barometer.

This is something new, I have not heard this analogy before. If I was to use this analogy, then the play in the video is a block because the defender was not there when the player gathered the ball.

Your personal belief is completely wrong under both NCAA and NFHS rules. If anyone is giving 2 steps in these situations, then they are calling block/charges incorrectly. There is no time/distance allowed when guarding a player <b>with</b> the ball, either dribbling or holding. The only criteria used to make the correct call is whether the defender has a legal guarding position at the time of contact, where on the defender the contact occurs, and whether the dribbler was able to get his head/shoulders past the defender before contact. Whether they gather the ball or not or how many steps the player with the ball takes before the contact occurs is completely irrelevant, rules-wise.

The criteria that you are using applies to guarding a player <b>without</b> the ball.

You're exactly right in terms of primary defenders, but I was under the assumption that we were all talking about secondary defenders and them coming in and undercutting the shooter?

The same rules apply to secondary defenders also under NFHS and NCAA rules. And undercutting the shooter is a separate matter...and call. In that situation, a defender has to establish and maintain a legal guarding position before the player with ball becomes airborne.

Of course, if you're discussing strictly NBA rules, ignore everything that I've posted. I simply do not have sufficient knowledge of that ruleset to comment one way or another.

It seems to me one cannot have LGP and undercut a shooter.

Um, yeah......

If you remove time and distance and stipulate before the shooter goes airborne. It is possible.

Why is it in Fed. that more allowance in terms of LGP is given to the player without the ball and on defense then the player with the ball about to score? 4-40-6

Removed and edited: I said I was done. I'll keep my word.