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Smitty Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:27am

Lose weight before the season starts
 
When I went to camp earlier in the summer, I got some great feedback and advice from the evaluators. The constant theme I heard was - if you lose weight you'll get better games. So I decided to lose some weight. I went on this program called Take Shape For Life and I've lost 20 pounds in 5 weeks - on my way to 30. It's easy and fast and I have my energy back. I've also noticed that my constant knee pain since last season (patellar tendonitis) is getting a lot better with the weight off.

So if any of you guys need to drop some pounds before the season - this plan is more for people who need to lose more than 20 - this is a fast and healthy way to do it. It's not easy - you have to be committed, but if I can do it you can do it.

Here's the link to my program:

http://www.janorama.tsfl.com/

Mark Padgett Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:47am

Have you called Jenny yet?

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rainmaker Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:48am

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Originally Posted by Smitty
When I went to camp earlier in the summer, I got some great feedback and advice from the evaluators. The constant theme I heard was - if you lose weight you'll get better games. So I decided to lose some weight. I went on this program called Take Shape For Life and I've lost 20 pounds in 5 weeks - on my way to 30. It's easy and fast and I have my energy back. I've also noticed that my constant knee pain since last season (patellar tendonitis) is getting a lot better with the weight off.

So if any of you guys need to drop some pounds before the season - this plan is more for people who need to lose more than 20 - this is a fast and healthy way to do it. It's not easy - you have to be committed, but if I can do it you can do it.

Here's the link to my program:

http://www.janorama.tsfl.com/


Is this the program that Johnny Kai was on? What provisions are there for keeping the weight off long term?

Smitty Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:54am

Yes this is the same program John Kai is on, but I don't go through John. There's a whole maintenance plan once you reach your goal weight where you slowly ween yourself off the program and into normal food. It just works and it's fast. The first 3 or 4 days are a struggle to adapt, but after that it's so easy. I can't wait to be able to run faster up and down the court and not have my knees screaming at me.

bigdog5142 Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:26pm

I'm on Weight Watchers and working out four days a week...I hope to lose about 20-30 lbs before the season starts...:)

Smitty Wed Aug 22, 2007 09:50am

I've managed to lose 24 pounds now in 6 weeks. Close to my goal of 30 (although I might go down another 5 after that). I haven't even started running yet - fall league should start in anothe month or so. I am doing sit-ups and push-ups, though. There's still plenty of time for people to lose this much weight if you need to.

Smitty Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:38am

Well I've done it - lost 30 pounds in less than 8 weeks. I still might try and lose another 5, but what a difference it's already made. I am down 2 pants sizes (gotta buy some new ref pants) and my knees feel 100% better - the tendonitis is gone. There's still time for you to lose weight before the season starts. PM me if you want more info. It's going to feel so good running up and down the court with 30 pounds less of a load.

Old School Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:27pm

Don't need no fanzy program to lose weight, just quite eating, simple. Like they say, just say NO... at the table.

Or perhaps you prefer the police interp, Step away from the table, put your hands up in the air and step away from the table.

I find life amazing in the sense that we have all these great restuarants, but we really can't frequent them that often or you will lose that slim figure. As I grow older, I see that eating is a bad habit. Assigners, right or wrong consider you out of shape if you have a few extra pounds on you. So basically what they want is for you not to eat. Not a good place to be if you are an older American. I am trying to balance looking like I'm in good shape and enjoying the rest of my life and it is a constant struggle, especially if you don't have the quality assignments to inspire you to step away from the table. You might find this stupid but if you never start a bad habit, you never have to stop.

Smitty Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:38pm

Nope, you certainly don't need to go on a plan to lose weight. But some of us need that structure to stick with it and make it work. I don't have the patience to look at food labels and count calories and carbs for everything I eat. It's great if you can lose weight on your own, and certainly cheaper.

I was told at camp I'd get better games if I lost weight. So I did. However I got here, it feels great and my knees no longer hurt. It was worth every penny.

Texas Aggie Fri Aug 31, 2007 02:33pm

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just quite eating, simple
If you mean quit, that's the worst thing you can do. Undereating eventually leads to overeating. Plus, it slows the body's metabolism down and your fat burning goes to zero.

Frequent, healthy meals are the answer. The problem for many of us is our game schedule makes that tough. I don't like to eat before games, but I've made myself eat a light lunch followed by a light snack a couple of hours before the game. I'm still hungry afterwards, but it isn't like I went from lunch to 10:00pm without eating -- as I've done in the past.

You can eat all the vegis you want. Calories in those foods are next to nothing. Fill up on broccoli even if you have to dip it in a little ranch.

Scrapper1 Fri Aug 31, 2007 07:48pm

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie
If you mean quit, that's the worst thing you can do.

Are you kidding? Quitting would be the best thing for Old School to do. Oh. You were talking about eating? I thought we were talking about officiating. Never mind.

rainmaker Fri Aug 31, 2007 07:53pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Are you kidding? Quitting would be the best thing for Old School to do. Oh. You were talking about eating? I thought we were talking about officiating. Never mind.

Good one, Scrap-meister!!

Old School Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:45am

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie
If you mean quit, that's the worst thing you can do. Undereating eventually leads to overeating. Plus, it slows the body's metabolism down and your fat burning goes to zero..

Disagree, and here's why. Your fat burning and metabolism is going to slow down with age. So, if you continue to eat like you did when you where young and athletic, you're going to have some problems.

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Frequent, healthy meals are the answer.
I don't know if I agree with this either. If you eat healthy meals frequently, like after a evening game, you're still in the same boat. It's the frequent part I have a problem with which is why I suggest to break the habit altogether. Eating is a habit that we all feel we need to do, over and over. We don't need to eat near as much as we do. To break it down for you, it's overeating is the problem. To make it more simple, stop the eating habit. It is a bad habit and when your career rests on your appearance. You're going to have to let something go. Step away from the table! Just say NO to drugs and food.

To be truthful, there's only so much brocoli I can take in a day but the more of this type of food, the better. If you're going to eat after 8pm, try to just make it a salad meal. I now have the pizza under control, now all i have to do is break the Burger Kings and KFC's and I'm in control. That dollar double cheeseburger is hard to pass on when i'm hungry.

CoachP Sat Sep 01, 2007 01:24pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
If you're going to eat after 8pm,

That worked for me. I stopped eating anything after 6 p.m.....lost 20 lbs. I was so proud of myself, I gained it back. Pizza and Burger King at 5:59 didn't help!

Adam Sat Sep 01, 2007 01:27pm

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Originally Posted by CoachP
That worked for me. I stopped eating anything after 6 p.m.....lost 20 lbs. I was so proud of myself, I gained it back. Pizza and Burger King at 5:59 didn't help!

ROTFLMAO!

Mark Padgett Sat Sep 01, 2007 03:23pm

A few years ago, I decided to ride a bike to try and lose weight. Didn't work. Maybe it was because I would ride it to Baskin Robbins. :o

Mountaineer Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:11pm

I find it funny that OS doesn't agree that frequent healthy meals is better for you . . . every doc I've talked to and most of your weight-loss programs want you to eat 5 smaller meals rather than 3 normal or larger ones. Whouldathunkit that OS is also a medical doctor!

Mark Padgett Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:31pm

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer
Whouldathunkit that OS is also a medical doctor!

In addition to what?

Adam Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:25am

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer
Whouldathunkit that OS is also a medical doctor!

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
In addition to what?

A medical enigma?

Smitty Sun Sep 02, 2007 01:04am

The plan I'm on suggests eating 6 meals a day, spaced out ever 2-3 hours. It's low calorie (800-1000/day), low carb (approx. 80g/day), low fat, and high protein. The prepackaged food is high in other nutrients to ensure you get everything you need for a healthy diet. Because the calories are so low, it works very fast, but remarkably you don't feel hungry very often, if at all. The first 3 days are hell, but after your body goes into ketosis (fat burning state), it's a piece of cake, no pun intended.

One key to losing weight is to burn more calories than you take in.

Mark Dexter Sun Sep 02, 2007 08:42am

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Originally Posted by Smitty
One key to losing weight is to burn more calories than you take in.

Short of surgical intervention, burning more calories than you consume is the only key to losing weight.

Mountaineer Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:13am

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Originally Posted by Smitty
The plan I'm on suggests eating 6 meals a day, spaced out ever 2-3 hours. It's low calorie (800-1000/day), low carb (approx. 80g/day), low fat, and high protein. The prepackaged food is high in other nutrients to ensure you get everything you need for a healthy diet. Because the calories are so low, it works very fast, but remarkably you don't feel hungry very often, if at all. The first 3 days are hell, but after your body goes into ketosis (fat burning state), it's a piece of cake, no pun intended.

One key to losing weight is to burn more calories than you take in.

Dave - how does their food taste. To me, the problem I have is that I'm addicted to good-tasting food. Weight loss would be a lot easier if the food had some taste to it!

Smitty Sun Sep 02, 2007 06:58pm

The food varies for me. They have oatmeal that to me tastes similar to instant oatmeal - I don't add anything to the oatmeal. They have soups and chili, and by themselves they are pretty bland, but there's a list of allowable condiments you can use to spice things up. I add tabasco and other hot sauces to the sups and chili and then it's pretty good. They also have pudding that I don't like at all. There is enough of a variety that I have found the things I like and stick to those. The best things are the shakes. I use shakes as 3 of my 5 prepackaged meals per day. Everything hey offer, from the oatmeals, eggs, soups, drinks, pudding, etc. is filled with the same nutritional value so you can have any combination you like for your 5 meals. Many people drink 5 shakes a day, but I like some substance once in a while.

The salad and meat meal is the best time of the day.

The biggest change is the portion size. I was eating like a friggin' pig before and was hesitant mainly because I didn't think I could do it with the portion sizes. But after those first 3 days when my body adjusted, it has been really easy. It is tough sometimes when my kid eats pizza and tacos, but the rewards are too good to go back to what I was before. Like any diet it takes a big commitment and willpower. The fact that this diet produces such fast results, it makes it a lot easier to find motivation to stick with it.

zebraman Sun Sep 02, 2007 09:39pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
Short of surgical intervention, burning more calories than you consume is the only key to losing weight.

Not completely true. My wife is a bodybuilder and I've learned quite a bit about nutrition from her.

If you consume too few calories over a period of time, your body will go into starvation mode and start hoarding everything. That can change your metabolism.

As someone stated earlier, the best way to lose weight is to eat small portions of healthy foods several times a day. Then your body learns that it doesn't need to hoard anything because it knows it will get more food soon. Those who starve themselves and then eat one big meal can gain weight on the same amount of calories that would cause them to lose weight if they spread that same amount of calories over several small meals throughout the day.

Mark Dexter Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:24pm

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Originally Posted by zebraman
Not completely true.

No. It's pretty much 100% true.

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If you consume too few calories over a period of time, your body will go into starvation mode and start hoarding everything. That can change your metabolism.
In other words, you're burning fewer calories, which leads back to what I said.

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As someone stated earlier, the best way to lose weight is to eat small portions of healthy foods several times a day.
While I think there's probably some merit to this, there's still no medical consensus on this subject.

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Then your body learns that it doesn't need to hoard anything because it knows it will get more food soon. Those who starve themselves and then eat one big meal can gain weight on the same amount of calories that would cause them to lose weight if they spread that same amount of calories over several small meals throughout the day.
The effect is more likely the increased metabolism involved in digesting those more frequent meals. The difference between 6 400 Calorie meals in a day and 3 800 Calorie meals is probably negligible. If I get a chance, I'll try to pull up some papers later this week.

Mark Padgett Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:43pm

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Originally Posted by zebraman
My wife is a bodybuilder

Photos, please. :D

rainmaker Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:59pm

The basic fact is that the only way to lose weight is to consume fewer calories than you burn. But the calculations of how much you burn, and how much you consume are much more complicated than just looking at tables in books, and adding things up roughly.

Here are some factors that are known to have some effect, some more effect than others.

Increasing muscle mass increases your metabolism, therefore increasing calorie consumption, even when the muscles aren't in use. This is an excellent reason to exercise, even small amounts. It helps build or maintain muscle mass thus keeping metabolism up.

If you eat the same number of calories over 24 hours, you use up more in the digesting process, if you eat those calories in several small meals as opposed to two or three large meals. This has to do with the absorptive state vs. the post-absorptive state. The reason most diet plans used to recommend not snacking is that most people would increase their consumption overall, when they snacked. But if you can truly keep your calorie consumption constant, it's better to spread out the eating over a longer period of time.\

Fasting is generally not the best way to lose weight since it does put your body into a starvation, low-metabolism mode, and it also can cause muscle degradation. The body will begin to burn fat, yes, but it will also begin to break down muscle into fat (before it changes it into glucose for use), so you're maintaining fat, and losing muscle. NOt a good thing to do.

Fat itself puts out hormones that trigger eating impulses, including cravings and hunger. Fat seems to be self-maintaining in some ways. For this reason, it's best NOT to rely on feelings of hunger to determine the amounts you eat. The best way to lose weight is to establish a plan and stick to it. If you find the plan isn't working, modify the plan, but don't veer from it.

Also, the hi-protein, lo-carb diets work for many people in the short run, and that with care the loss can be maintained, but ketosis over the long haul is NOT a healthy way to live. If you do go onto a plan that puts your body into ketosis, you need to eventually go back to eating a little more carbohydrate every day ( I'd say, every couple of hours). Just a few bites of brown rice, or that sticky gooey sprouted wheat bread can be very, very good for you.

To maintain a healthy weight, exercise to the point of panting and sweating at least 3 or 4 times a week, splurge occasionally to satisfy the cravings, and stick to a moderate, well-planned eating pattern.


And by the way, OS, eating is not a bad habit that can be given up for life. Alcohol you could live without, but food is not a drug, that can be dispensed with. Food is necessary to survive, and to live. Most people can go about six weeks without eating anything, but those six weeks won't necessarily be very pleasant, and while a person will lose weight, they sure won't be able to ref, work, or even think much. OVER-eating is a bad habit, but it should be modified, not just abandoned. Proper eating is a GOOD habit, that must be worked at.

zebraman Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:23pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Photos, please. :D

Just come to her show on Oct 6, it's only a short drive from Tigard, Oregon to Bellevue, Washington. :) It'd be nice to have another referee in the audience anyway. We can wear stripes and confuse everyone be calling occasional fouls and violations.

Old School Mon Sep 03, 2007 08:14am

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer
I find it funny that OS doesn't agree that frequent healthy meals is better for you . . . every doc I've talked to and most of your weight-loss programs want you to eat 5 smaller meals rather than 3 normal or larger ones. Whouldathunkit that OS is also a medical doctor!

I am not a medical doctor, however, I'm going to share my medical knowledge from personal experience. I’m going to also address what Rainmaker said later, because she hit on a couple key points I want to expand on.

When I was young and into my playing days, I wanted to jump higher and hit the ball farther, which meant I needed to get stronger. So I hit the weights. Surprisingly, I could not get any stronger. My body reached a point and there was no going past it. I was in great shape athletic wise, but was not reaching my goals. It didn’t matter with eating either. I cold eat like a pig, and not gain a pound.

Now that my days of playing is over and I have retired to the keyboard for activity. My eating habits has not changed. In fact, I have become quit fond of my food intake. Not paying any attention to the way it was prepared but how it tasted in the end was the barometer. Thru-out my career, I didn’t have to worry about how it was prepared, my body would burn it right off no matter what I eat.

Now, got major problems. How do I stop? Turn the food off. Don’t matter if it’s salads, carrot sticks, or snicker bars, if there’s no food around then you can’t eat it. Got to continue to exercise, this is the key. Food, just say no! I think, and this is my opinion, that food is a bad habit, which is why the doctors are saying, continue to eat, continue the habit, just eat more healthy. It’s the frequent things constantly going in your mouth for consumption that’s the problem. Just say NO! Think about it….you are fat and overweight, NOT because you quick exercising! Turn it off, stop the madness. We don't need to constantly feed our faces so that we don't feel hungry later. That's bull and continues the constant crave for food. Just say NO, step away from the table, put your hands in the air and wave like you just don't care.

Old School Mon Sep 03, 2007 08:54am

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Fat itself puts out hormones that trigger eating impulses, including cravings and hunger. Fat seems to be self-maintaining in some ways.

Never heard this before?

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And by the way, OS, eating is not a bad habit that can be given up for life. Alcohol you could live without, but food is not a drug, that can be dispensed with.
Bingo, that's what I wanted to comment on. What's put in our food, particularly our red meat, is a drug. This drug, restaurants have known about for years. It causes you to want to eat more. Of course, they want you to come back. This is the harmone that causes you to want to eat more, not the fat in our body. The FDA knows about this drug as well and allows it legally to be put in the food.

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Food is necessary to survive, and to live. Most people can go about six weeks without eating anything, but those six weeks won't necessarily be very pleasant, and while a person will lose weight, they sure won't be able to ref, work, or even think much. OVER-eating is a bad habit, but it should be modified, not just abandoned. Proper eating is a GOOD habit, that must be worked at.
I didn't know we could go that long without eating. I can't even go a day. Over-eating is a bad habit and the key thing here is eating itself. That is the common denonmenator. Whether it's overeating, under-eating or proper eating. Eating is the problem. Obvisously we can't stop eating altogether, but we can slow it up. The body doesn't need as much as we keep putting into it. The constant maintain certain patterns, all the diet programs, the drugs, just say NO! Eat when your body tells you you need food, and then try to eat as heatlhy as possible. Otherwise, shut it down. It's all in your mind.

Mark Dexter Mon Sep 03, 2007 09:02am

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Originally Posted by Old School
Bingo, that's what I wanted to comment on. What's put in our food, particularly our red meat, is a drug. This drug, restaurants have known about for years. It causes you to want to eat more. Of course, they want you to come back. This is the harmone that causes you to want to eat more, not the fat in our body. The FDA knows about this drug as well and allows it legally to be put in the food.

I know it's a long shot, but care to back this up with, I dunno, facts and evidence?

Old School Mon Sep 03, 2007 09:27am

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
I know it's a long shot, but care to back this up with, I dunno, facts and evidence?

Mark, our food is laced with all types of drugs. Fertizilers for the earth, protein for the meat, steriods to help it grow faster, salt to preserve the freshness and kill bacteria, it all has some type of drug. But the specific drug used in red meats that causes you to fill hungry, while eating, right after eating, and even the next morning after sleeping. Have you ever woke up hungry the next day and you know you had a big meal the night before?

I will see if I can find some additional information for you.

Old School Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:35am

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Originally Posted by Old School
Mark, our food is laced with all types of drugs. Fertizilers for the earth, protein for the meat, steriods to help it grow faster, salt to preserve the freshness and kill bacteria, it all has some type of drug. But the specific drug used in red meats that causes you to fill hungry, while eating, right after eating, and even the next morning after sleeping. Have you ever woke up hungry the next day and you know you had a big meal the night before?

I will see if I can find some additional information for you.

Mark, the info is being challenged so I am unable to find a direct link. Kevin Trudeau is where I got my info from, the Natural Cures book. What they don't want you to know. You can search on that and find a lot of info. Kevin is a master Marketing strategist, he was challendged by the FDA and agreed to shut down his website, which is where i got my info. Somewhere between him making money (he is a millionaire now) and what he alledges, is the truth. I know from my own experience, there is something in red meat, that makes you want more. You can not get enough. I do not get that same effect from white meat.

Try this, pig out on some red meat. Ribs, BBQ Beef, Brisket, etc... Notice how shortly afterwards, you are hungry for more. The next day you wake up hungry. I don't know if it's a drug from the FDA like what Kevin says or it is some ingredient that we put in the food, or just the food itself. I just know that it is real that you are hungrier, shortly afterwards or the next day. I didn't realize this until I heard Kevin Trudeau mention it, then I did my own comparsion. I got a whole gut full of food, how can I possibly be hungry. Knowing that now, I am able to control it.

Is food a drug? Depends on the defintion of a drug. I can eat certain foods and be put to sleep. My point is, just say NO!

umpduck11 Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:54am

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Originally Posted by Old School
Kevin Trudeau is where I got my info from,

From the Doonesbury cartoonist ??? :p

Mark Dexter Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by umpduck11
From the Doonesbury cartoonist ??? :p

That's Garry Trudeau. I think he'd have better information than the quack who OS cited.

Jurassic Referee Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
What's put in our food, particularly our red meat, is a drug. This drug, restaurants have known about for years. It causes you to want to eat more. Of course, they want you to come back. This is the harmone that causes you to want to eat more, not the fat in our body. The FDA knows about this drug as well and allows it legally to be put in the food.

They must put that drug in Chinese food too. About an hour after I eat........

Lah me............just when you think that he can't possibly outdo himself....:rolleyes:

Adam Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:53pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
Mark, our food is laced with all types of drugs. Fertizilers for the earth, protein for the meat, steriods to help it grow faster, salt to preserve the freshness and kill bacteria, it all has some type of drug. But the specific drug used in red meats that causes you to fill hungry, while eating, right after eating, and even the next morning after sleeping. Have you ever woke up hungry the next day and you know you had a big meal the night before?
I will see if I can find some additional information for you.

So you're saying, without this mysterious drug no one knows about, no one would need to eat breakfast in the mornings? Follow the money, Jimmy Dean must be involved somehow.
And here I always thought I woke up hungry because my body had digested the food I ate 12 hours earlier. Silly me.

Mark Padgett Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:59pm

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Originally Posted by zebraman
Just come to her show on Oct 6, it's only a short drive from Tigard, Oregon to Bellevue, Washington. :) It'd be nice to have another referee in the audience anyway. We can wear stripes and confuse everyone be calling occasional fouls and violations.

Believe it or not, I may actually be in your area then. I have to visit a customer in the Seattle area the day before. This is right before I leave for a trade show in Las Vegas. Aaahhhhh, work is tough. ;)

Old School Mon Sep 03, 2007 02:41pm

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So you're saying, without this mysterious drug no one knows about, no one would need to eat breakfast in the mornings?

No moron, if you don't eat at night, then if you're hungry in the morning, that stands to reason. However, if you ate a big meal before bed, and you woke up and have an intense appetite for a big breakfest. How can that be?

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And here I always thought I woke up hungry because my body had digested the food I ate 12 hours earlier. Silly me.
If you are young and still very active, this is possible, I guess. However, if you are overweight, got some weight issues, not that active anymore. When you wake up in the morning, you shouldn't be hungry, i don't care how good the Jimmy Dean sausage smells.

Either case, young athletic, older, non-athletic, if you eat a big meal before you go to bed. If everything is working correctly in your system, you will wake up tired because your body did not rest. It spend the night, digessing all the food you ate before you went to bed. Kind of like waking up with a hang-over.

Added: This is also a source for nightmares.

BillyMac Mon Sep 03, 2007 02:44pm

A Real Turkey
 
From Old School: "Is food a drug? Depends on the defintion of a drug. I can eat certain foods and be put to sleep."

Turkey does have the makings of a natural sedative in it, an amino acid called tryptophan. Tryptophan is an essential amino acid, meaning that the body cannot manufacture it. The body has to get tryptophan and other essential amino acids from food. Tryptophan helps the body produce the B-vitamin niacin, which, in turn, helps the body produce serotonin, a remarkable chemical that acts as a calming agent in the brain and plays a role in sleep.

Mark Padgett Mon Sep 03, 2007 02:59pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
"I can eat certain foods and be put to sleep."

"I can read certain posts and be put to sleep." http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ages/sleep.gif

Old School Mon Sep 03, 2007 03:08pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
"I can read certain posts and be put to sleep." http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ages/sleep.gif

Yeah, kind of like reading the case book.

Mark Dexter Mon Sep 03, 2007 03:34pm

Sign me up
 
In the past, I was ambivalent as to the calls to suspend/deactivate Old School's account. The ignore feature worked for me.

Now, however, Old School has decided to share his total BS "medical knowledge" with the rest of us. He knows less about the human body than he does about the rules, and should be blocked before someone hurts themselves by following his recommendations.

To OS - if you want to joke about your lack of rules knowledge, go right ahead. Give it a rest when it crosses over to the biomedical sciences.

Mark Dexter Mon Sep 03, 2007 03:37pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac
From Old School: "Is food a drug? Depends on the defintion of a drug. I can eat certain foods and be put to sleep."

Turkey does have the makings of a natural sedative in it, an amino acid called tryptophan. Tryptophan is an essential amino acid, meaning that the body cannot manufacture it. The body has to get tryptophan and other essential amino acids from food. Tryptophan helps the body produce the B-vitamin niacin, which, in turn, helps the body produce serotonin, a remarkable chemical that acts as a calming agent in the brain and plays a role in sleep.

Well, kinda.

The role of excess turkey in putting people to sleep (a story that comes up every Thanksgiving) is rather overstated.

Jurassic Referee Mon Sep 03, 2007 03:41pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
In the past, I was ambivalent as to the calls to suspend/deactivate Old School's account. The ignore feature worked for me.

Now, however, Old School has decided to share his total BS "medical knowledge" with the rest of us. He knows less about the human body than he does about the rules, and should be blocked before someone hurts themselves by following his recommendations.

To OS - if you want to joke about your lack of rules knowledge, go right ahead. Give it a rest when it crosses over to the biomedical sciences.

Hey, where else could you find out about those secret drugs and harmones that <b>they</b> put into food to make you hungry. The FDA knows all about it. It's gotta be true. I eat, and damned if I'm not hungry the next day.

Mark Dexter Mon Sep 03, 2007 03:44pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Hey, where else could you find out about those secret drugs and harmones that <b>they</b> put into food to make you hungry. The FDA knows all about it. It's gotta be true. I eat, and damned if I'm not hungry the next day.

Ah, yes, the harmones.

Are those anything like hermones?

mick Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:24pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
However, if you ate a big meal before bed, and you woke up and have an intense appetite for a big breakfest. How can that be?

This happens to me after large 12:00 a.m. pizza.

Old School Tue Sep 04, 2007 08:41am

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Originally Posted by mick
This happens to me after large 12:00 a.m. pizza.

When you're young, you don't care. This is exactly my point. I did this all the time when I was younger and played. Never once gave it a 2nd thought and never gained a pound afterwards either. Then one morning you wake up and you're like, where did all this come from? Poor eating habits. You don't think about when you are on the go. Once the years catch up with you. You start to think about how i got all of this and why won't it go away. That's where I'm at now. With all the info and fancy diets out here, you start to think.

How can i eat a large meal before bed and wake up hungry? Then you wake up and eat a big breakfest. That is the definition of overeating. Either you got a tapeworm inside of you, or some other medical condition, like strung-out or addicted to food. Just like you can be addicted to alcohol, you can be addicted to food. We all know we need food to survive, but there is this thing called overdoing it, abuse, overeating. These are signs of being addicted. Just like you need to control your consumption of alcohol, you need to control your consumption of food or else you will look like a pig. You don't need all the fancy diets, although I'm not against anything that works for you. But at a very basic level, you just need to control your consumption of food. It's really very simple, just say NO!

Adam Tue Sep 04, 2007 08:56am

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Originally Posted by Old School
But at a very basic level, you just need to control your consumption of food. It's really very simple, just say NO!

But I can't control it, they put this drug in there that makes me want more.

Adam Tue Sep 04, 2007 09:01am

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Originally Posted by Old School
No moron, if you don't eat at night, then if you're hungry in the morning, that stands to reason. However, if you ate a big meal before bed, and you woke up and have an intense appetite for a big breakfest. How can that be?

Seriously, you can't call me a moron and then proceed to ask this question.

You're hungry for "breakfest" in the morning because while you were sleeping your body digested the food you ate the night before.

When you over eat, you get hungry more quickly because your stomach (the organ in your body that collects the food) stretches and makes room. It's a pattern of behavior that has real physical consequences, and trying to blame it on a secret drug injected by evil food manufacturers is a classic way to avoid taking responsibility for your own poor decisions (not you specifically, OS).

Old School Tue Sep 04, 2007 09:54am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Seriously, you can't call me a moron and then proceed to ask this question.

You're hungry for "breakfest" in the morning because while you were sleeping your body digested the food you ate the night before.

When you over eat, you get hungry more quickly because your stomach (the organ in your body that collects the food) stretches and makes room. It's a pattern of behavior that has real physical consequences, and trying to blame it on a secret drug injected by evil food manufacturers is a classic way to avoid taking responsibility for your own poor decisions (not you specifically, OS).

Hey look, don't take my word for it. Take your own test. Pig out on some fish, Chinesse Food, chicken, something white meat right before going to bed. Wake up the next morning and note how you feel. Great, tired, relaxed, hungry, whatever. Now, do the same thing with red meat. The human body, as well as what you have read will behave differently at age 50 than at age 40. Will behave differently at age 30 than age 40. Take your own test and you will probably come up with your own unique expereinced. You are a moron for taking me too literally.

Adam Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:21am

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Originally Posted by Old School
You are a moron for taking me too literally.

Don't confuse being taken literally for being taken seriously.

Mark Padgett Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:49am

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
Are those anything like hermones?

You mean "her moans"?

Scrapper1 Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:36am

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Originally Posted by Old School
You are a moron

Some introductions are in order here. Kettle. . . pot.

Mark Padgett Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:53pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
You are a moron
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Some introductions are in order here. Kettle. . . pot.

Scrapper1, I was just surprised he spelled it correctly! ;)

Adam Tue Sep 04, 2007 02:13pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Some introductions are in order here. Kettle. . . pot.

Hey!

Mark Dexter Tue Sep 04, 2007 08:10pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
How can i eat a large meal before bed and wake up hungry? Then you wake up and eat a big breakfest. That is the definition of overeating. Either you got a tapeworm inside of you, or some other medical condition, like strung-out or addicted to food.

Pure poppycock. Your stomach empties overnight because of a little process called digestion, aided by peristalsis. In the morning, the stomach has contracted and there's nothing in it, so the stretch receptors in the lining of the stomach don't signal. If the stretch receptors don't signal, that's a sign that the stomach is empty.

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Just like you can be addicted to alcohol, you can be addicted to food.
More bull. You ever see someone at Weight Watchers go through withdrawal symptoms? I didn't think so.

Old School Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:48pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
Pure poppycock. Your stomach empties overnight because of a little process called digestion, aided by peristalsis. In the morning, the stomach has contracted and there's nothing in it, so the stretch receptors in the lining of the stomach don't signal. If the stretch receptors don't signal, that's a sign that the stomach is empty.

Hold the phone, this is where science intercepts common sense. If you ate a full meal before bed, and you wake up in the morning hungry. How do you deduct that your stomach is empty? You got a gut full of digested food, your stomach ain't empty. You go try to put food on top of food and your stomach going to say, what the f@ck! Where am I suppose to put this? I guess i'm going to have to store it over here as fat until you get rid of the sh!t you ate the night before. I'm just breaking it down in laymen's terms...I'm old schooling it for you.

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More bull. You ever see someone at Weight Watchers go through withdrawal symptoms? I didn't think so.
Oooohhhh you are soooo wrong. You should try to stop eating for awhile, fast for awhile. Your body will go thru some withdrawl symptoms you will not believe. Equal to that of alcohol or drug withdraw symptoms. You go without food too long, you will go crazy for any type of food. You would even entertain eating bugs or worse. Food is like a drug that we can't do without.

zebraman Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:13pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
No. It's pretty much 100% true.

In other words, you're burning fewer calories, which leads back to what I said.

While I think there's probably some merit to this, there's still no medical consensus on this subject.

Health and Fitness Tips: Lose Weight By Eating More Often!

Seem counterintuitive?

Probably, since most of us have been conditioned to associate weightloss with starving, or at least with eating as little as possible.

Surprise! The perfect diet for weight loss and maintenance is based on 5 or 6 sensible meals.

Women in particular have been socialized to believe that eating less is the only way to achieve weight loss. Do you struggle to “be good” by starving throughout the day only to lose control and binge at night? This overwhelming hunger is actually an inevitable reaction that has nothing to do with a lack of willpower. In fact, depriving yourself of food all day in the hopes of controlling your weight will always be a losing battle.

When you skip meals, your body reacts like it did way back when we were living like the Flintstones.

Your body gets this signal when you don’t feed it often enough: “Uh Oh! That lazy-*** Caveman Clod didn’t hunt down any grub today – we’re gonna starve!”

Your body is infinitely intelligent - it reacts to what it senses is an imminent famine by slowing down your metabolism so that it can hang on to its existing fat stores and essentially go into hibernation, so that it burns as few calories as possible.

Today, we have no problem getting quick calories. One drive-thru burger, fries and shake at Carl’s Junior is all it takes to meet our entire daily caloric requirements. However, our bodies retain this ancient, protective reaction and it can really hamper weight loss if we try to circumvent our own wiring.
Eating More Frequently Protects Lean Muscle Mass

Another reason it is imperative to eat frequently is that when we do not eat often enough the body runs out of fuel to burn and then turns to muscle as a fuel source. If this catabolic state sounds a little like cannibalism it’s because that’s essentially what it is!

We know that the more lean muscle we have, the higher our metabolism and the more calories we burn. Don’t skip meals! Don’t sacrifice your muscle!
Several Small Meals Help You Reach Weight Loss Goals

Eating 5-6 sensible, smaller meals a day accords with our genetic programming and is crucial to maintaining energy levels and boosting metabolism.

But don’t go getting your Nabisco “snack packs” all lined up in a row quite yet. I am talking about several PROPER (in both content and portion) meals and snacks - combinations of protein, healthy fats (olive oil, peanut butter, avocado) and complex carbohydrates.

For example, a perfect snack is a small apple, a slice of whole grain bread with a tablespoon or two of all-natural peanut butter.
Eat Up!

bob jenkins Wed Sep 05, 2007 08:18am

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Originally Posted by Old School
Hold the phone, this is where science intercepts common sense. .

Based on what I've read, you know nothing about either.

Mark Dexter Wed Sep 05, 2007 08:27am

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Originally Posted by Old School
Hold the phone, this is where science intercepts common sense. If you ate a full meal before bed, and you wake up in the morning hungry. How do you deduct that your stomach is empty? You got a gut full of digested food, your stomach ain't empty. You go try to put food on top of food and your stomach going to say, what the f@ck! Where am I suppose to put this? I guess i'm going to have to store it over here as fat until you get rid of the sh!t you ate the night before. I'm just breaking it down in laymen's terms...I'm old schooling it for you.

It's called your f*cking intestines, you dumb@ss!

Old School Wed Sep 05, 2007 08:58am

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Originally Posted by zebraman
Health and Fitness Tips: Lose Weight By Eating More Often!

Seem counterintuitive?

Probably, since most of us have been conditioned to associate weightloss with starving, or at least with eating as little as possible.

Surprise! The perfect diet for weight loss and maintenance is based on 5 or 6 sensible meals. Eat Up!

This is a good article, thanks for sharing. As I indicated before, if it works for you, the more power. I'm always a little skeptical about the motives of the person writing the article (not you personally Zebraman). Is the person that wrote this article fat, skinny, lazy, athletic, a trainer, a doctor, owner of a health food product. Everyone has their motives. Where this article and any article has fault is when you stand it up to criticism. Likewise, you mix in common sense to what you just stated, you have some serious holes to answer.

#1.) Anyone who starves themselves during the day is on the right track to losing weight. Eating less is a way to lose weight. Remember, gained weight is from what, eating too much. It’s a fact! Turning off the eating/consuming machine is one idea or philosophy.

#2.) A novel concept: if a person was to starve themselves thru-out the day, why not mix in an exercise routine to go alone with the skipped meal. This might just cause the body to burn fat even faster. I wonder why this has never been mention? Because it’s such a basic natural thing to do. I call it common sense.

#3.) Eat when your body is hungry not for the sake of eating. I am against snacking or eating 5 to 6 meals a day. This continues or feeds the eating machine mentality (don’t feed the pig). We need to get off this bandwagon. In fact, this is where I got in trouble which brings me to my next point.

#4.) Economics: Fact, people who are more successful financially tend to eat better or healthier foods because the healthier foods is more expensive. When you don’t have a lot of money and you want to snack (the feeding machine 5 to 6 times a day) you eat whatever you can get your hands on. Potato Chips, Doritos, Beer, Burger King, the list goes on. This is the problem with constant snacking. You got your body, not so much what you eat, but your body in feed me mode, it’s time to stick something in my mouth. Healthy food not available, go for the sugar or whatever’s close. My motto: Turn off the eating machine, don’t feed the pig.

#5.) 2 to 3 meals a day is all that is needed. One good high protein meal a day is good. Typically around the evening hour. Instead of snacking all day, go workout at lunch. When you stop eating and force your body to miss a meal. Your body is going to go thru a withdrawal because it wants what you are use to giving it. This is the very first stage to seriously losing weight and getting control of your eating habits. For me, I got nervous, all of a sudden a found myself so depleted, which I know that wasn’t right because I ate the night before, I was literally shaking. What I’m doing is reprogramming my stomach, my body to not crave food so much. Albeit sugar or whatever.

#6.) Having healthy foods or snacks around is essential. However, if you can curtail the need to snack at all is the best. That way, when you haven’t gone to the store or budget is low, you don’t fall back into bad routine of eating just to eat, like potato chips, cheese curls, etc. Losing weight is economics. If a drunk or alcoholic don’t have the money to get a drink. Guess what, they ain’t an alcoholic no more. They stand out there solver begging to get a dime to get a drink, but they ain’t drunk. My bet is if we didn’t have the money to buy the food, we would lose weight. Of course, that’s not the issue because we all have money, but isn’t it a wonder that something so basic, so simple like not having money to purchase a hamburger could cause you to lose weight, but you prefer fancy expensive diet programs and intelligently yet deceptive written articles to tell us how to do the same thing. Amazing…..

Mark Padgett Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:41am

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Originally Posted by Old School
#1.) Anyone who starves themselves during the day is on the right track to losing weight.

And to dying. :rolleyes:

Camron Rust Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:01am

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
It's called your f*cking intestines, you dumb@ss!

Nevermind the fact that your body continues to burn calories while you sleep....at a slower rate.

Old School Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:18am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
And to dying. :rolleyes:

Mark, you're not going to die if you miss a meal or two. We can go quite a few days without a meal.

Old School Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:26am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
Nevermind the fact that your body continues to burn calories while you sleep....at a slower rate.

However, if you eat before going to bed, more of that food will become fat then burnt off in calories. Think about it, when you rest, you don't want your body to be too busy doing internal work or you will wake up tired or wake up too early and not sleepy anymore.

Another test I did. One day, all I ate was salads, went to bed early. I slept all night and woke up refresh. It was amazing the difference. Don't know why I don't do this more often. Oh, that's right, money and alcohol.

rainmaker Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:27pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
Hold the phone, this is where science intercepts common sense. If you ate a full meal before bed, and you wake up in the morning hungry. How do you deduct that your stomach is empty? You got a gut full of digested food, your stomach ain't empty. You go try to put food on top of food and your stomach going to say, what the f@ck! Where am I suppose to put this? I guess i'm going to have to store it over here as fat until you get rid of the sh!t you ate the night before. I'm just breaking it down in laymen's terms...I'm old schooling it for you.

This is pure fantasy. It has absolutely nothing to do with how the human body functions. You can say, if you want to, that this is how your body works, but that will only prove that you aren't human.

rainmaker Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:30pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
However, if you eat before going to bed, more of that food will become fat then burnt off in calories. Think about it, when you rest, you don't want your body to be too busy doing internal work or you will wake up tired or wake up too early and not sleepy anymore.

More fantasy... "Dont want your body to be too busy doing internal work?" Nonsense!! I WANT my body to do its work. It's also not automatically true that some of what you eat before you go to bed will become fat. You have no clue what you're talking about. Just quit. Please.

Mark Padgett Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:48pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
Mark, you're not going to die if you miss a meal or two. We can go quite a few days without a meal.


AAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!! My Burger King stock just went down two points!!! :mad: I guess I'll just have to ask this girl to eat more.

http://www.cornichon.org/archives/Giant%20burger.jpg

Old School Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:54pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
More fantasy... "Dont want your body to be too busy doing internal work?" Nonsense!! I WANT my body to do its work. It's also not automatically true that some of what you eat before you go to bed will become fat. You have no clue what you're talking about. Just quit. Please.

yes, your body does it thing while you rest but the point is, you don't want it doing extra work when you are trying to sleep. Now I know this is kind of difficult for you but if you eat fatty foods before going to bed, and not try to work it off before going to sleep, chances are, that food will be stored as fat. Remember the example where one person ate pizza and went to bed, woke up hungry.....

I may not be factually right with the letter of science but I know I'm close, and with a little common sense approach to dieting, I think I can beat this. With all the pitfalls and known research, I know it's not going to be easy, but life is not easy.

Mark Padgett Wed Sep 05, 2007 01:27pm

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Originally Posted by Old School
but life is not easy.

Yes it is. It's as easy as pie. Unless you don't work off the pie. :p


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