One rule that I would like to see changed

[dblref]

Originally posted by Oz Referee

Pleaseeeeeeee tell me you're being sarcastic - the rules should change because you have an injury that hinders your ability to do the job properly...maybe it's time to retire?

I referee FIBA, at all levels from Under 12 girls, up to and including State League Mens (2 divisions under our pro-league). It is very rare for me to have a game with more than a dozen jump balls (in the kiddy leagues) and maybe 4 in the senior comps. So that means during any one game I will, on average administer between 2 and 8 jump balls. If that's too hard...see above comment.

Oz Referee:

Try doing a freshman girls (9th grade for us) game between 2 teams that have virtually no talent and see how many "jump ball" calls you have. I vote to keep the posession arrow. This also happens a lot in rec ball. This past Saturday, I did a 3-game set with 12 year old girls and my partner and I must have had 10-12 jump balls in one of the games! And there were no quick whistles...we let them "tug" a bit. Just happened to be a couple of teams (I guess) that could't seem to do anything but "jump ball".

[Larks]

Originally posted by daves
I think the rule is fine. Why would you punish a team for hustle and quick thinking? What would happen if a player hustled for a ball going out of bounds tossed it back to a teammate? You wouldn't penalize him for that? What if a player with possession was in the air and threw it off an opponent and it went OOB? You wouldn't penalize them for that. As BktBallRef stated, If their coach allows them to burn a time out in that situation, let them.

I agree 100%. I have no prob with this rule.

Larks

[Oz Referee]

Originally posted by dblref
Oz Referee:

Try doing a freshman girls (9th grade for us) game between 2 teams that have virtually no talent and see how many "jump ball" calls you have. I vote to keep the posession arrow. This also happens a lot in rec ball. This past Saturday, I did a 3-game set with 12 year old girls and my partner and I must have had 10-12 jump balls in one of the games! And there were no quick whistles...we let them "tug" a bit. Just happened to be a couple of teams (I guess) that could't seem to do anything but "jump ball". [/B]

Dblref -

I do know what it is like, and believe me I hate these games as much as the next guy (or girl). My point is that the AP rule is unfair because it doesn't reward good defence. It is basically a rule that has been devised to make referee's live easier - mainly because so many of them can't throw a ball straight up in the air!

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Oz Referee
Pleaseeeeeeee tell me you're being sarcastic - the rules should change because you have an injury that hinders your ability to do the job properly...maybe it's time to retire?

Do they not have sarcastic humor down under?

[Brad]

Originally posted by crew
...sometimes people make mistakess...

Priceless. Don't you hate it when that happensss.

[crew]

Originally posted by Brad

Priceless. Don't you hate it when that happensss.

i wondered who would be the first to catch it.
cant wait to see you at c2c again brad.

[DrakeM]

Tony,
Just thought I'd shout out to a fellow Coast to Coaster!
It's been a couple of years since I've been though.
We have a young buck in our Association that is headed to
C2C this year. When it gets closer, I'll give you his name.
Drake

[daves]

I was being sarcastic Oz. sorry for not using the emoticon. But I do like the AP especially for girls ball. All those jump balls would disrupt the flow of the game. AP arrow is quick and easy. In many of the AP situations I encounter it is not because of good defense(defence as you put it), it is because of sloppy play. Maybe we should just give all held balls that are the result of good defense to the defensive team and all the rest we'll use the AP arrow.

[Oz Referee]

No probs dave, at first I thought you were, but then after re-reading your post I though you must have been serious. My appologies.

But I still hate the concept of the AP (although I have never ref'd it)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by daves

I disagree. Keep the AP, especially in women's ball. I have a bad rotator cuff and don't want to be tossing the ball up 30 or 40 times a game. Let's scrap the jump ball all together. Let's start the game and every extra period with a coin toss or rock, paper and scissors.

In June 1999, I tossed the jump ball to start a summer league game. When I tossed (I toss two handed) the ball I heniated two discs in my neck and my right arm was paralyzed for ten days. The only physical activity I was allowed for five months was physical therapy and walking.

And I still have an intense dislike for the Alternationg Possession Procedure. Dump the AP and bring back the jump ball.

[HogFan]

I guess this was just my personal opinion on this rule and I don't think Im alone on it. I guess arguments can be made for both sides in this case.

Burning timeouts, hustle, but to me, it just seems like it goes against the grain on being a true posession of the basketball.

I for one, think there are too many timeouts in basketball these days anyway. With television and everything it seems like there are at least 10 timeouts or more per half. Thirty second timeouts seem to be more like a minute and a half, and full timeouts seem to be more like 3-5 minutes. I guess if the timeouts were reduced and they were at a premium, I wouldnt have as much of a problem with the rule.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by HogFan
Thirty second timeouts seem to be more like a minute and a half, and full timeouts seem to be more like 3-5 minutes. I guess if the timeouts were reduced and they were at a premium, I wouldnt have as much of a problem with the rule.

Thirty second TO's are 30 seconds every time I've seen games.

Full timeouts may be longer, depending on the media agreement.

BTW, do you know how long a "full" timeout is (in a non-covered game)?

[Oz Referee]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

Thirty second TO's are 30 seconds every time I've seen games.

Full timeouts may be longer, depending on the media agreement.

BTW, do you know how long a "full" timeout is (in a non-covered game)?

FULL time out - 50 seconds (at least in FIBA) coaches think that it is 60 seconds, but it is 50 for the time out and 10 to get on the court.

[HogFan]

BTW, do you know how long a "full" timeout is (in a non-covered game)?

I believe in non-media covered games it is 75 seconds and in media covered games it is in the media agreement.

I am going to a game tonight and I will let you know how long the timeouts run if I can remember to time it myself.

[Mark Dexter]

All right!

We got HogFan to answer one correctly!