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I have read this phrase "Advantage/Disadvantage" in discusing violations. Advantage/Disadvantage only applies to fouls! I am on the side of the fence, If I see the Travel violation, then I call it. I see it occur often.
A1 has the ball for a throw-in. No one near him/her except A2. A1 steps into the court, then releases the ball. Advantage gained? Not really. Violation? YES!
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Early last year, it seemed I was calling a ton of travels. One coach complained I was calling it too much. Since it was my first year in this association, I asked the varsity level official who happened to be there since he worked for that particular school. He laughed, and said, "freshman ball is ugly. They travel, and you're calling the ones you need to call." That was all I needed to hear, allowing me to remain in my comfort level.

I stopped reading after "One coach complained..."

Not to be a picky, but NFHS does recognize "advantage/disadvantage" for violations. One example is the "delayed " violation by the opponent of the free throw shooter. If he /she makes the free throw, you ignore the violation. Also, you don't call the violation if a defender leaves the court voluntarily in an attempt to stop a fast break by the opponent.

These violations are written this way into the rules, as are all personal fouls. You can't, however, apply a/d where it's not allowed for by rule.

To be honest... I've heard college and high school clinicians ask campers "who the hell saw that besides yourself, and did you really need to interrupt the game with that call"?

Another example would be suspending the three count when the ballhandler makes a move to the basket.

But to be even pickier, the fact that these examples are coded in rules and cases makes them not advantage/disadvantage calls at all. Passing on a travel because it "didn't matter" is applying A/D on top of the traveling rule. Dropping the delayed defensive violation after the made free throw, is applying the rule as written. ;)

True, I agree with Rut in that this call is not consistent. It was a point of emphasis this past season in the NBA to call more travels. What i think brought this to light in the NBA is LeBron in the Olympic games traveling just about everytime he got the ball. He would pitty-pat his feet before putting the ball down. I saw a lot of travels this year called in the NBA as well. One agaisnt Kobie in a game deciding play with 5 seconds to go. Kobie argued the call venomously but the replay showed him talking about 5 steps before dribbling. Great call....!!!! Why don't we get more credit for the good calls made.

I know I am not going to get that detail about this violation. It needs to be obvious, if not, I agree with the DI official you're just interrupting the game. I remember one hs game I had several years ago when my parter started the game out with about 5 travels. One on a wide open layup and all on the same team. Now that coach is pissed off and guess what, game goes into toilet. It got so bad that everytime a kid did something with the ball, TRAVELING from the bench and fans. At half, I told my partner, they're hs players, let em play. I'm not calling that nitpicky travel. I'm not watching nobody's feet that hard because I'm taking the broad global view of all plays in the game. (Damn sure I'm sitting there watching somebody feet and I miss the punch in the face.) Let's just make sure we get the obvious and everyone goes home happy. With that being said, I will admit that because of this, I will miss the marginal travels. I'll take that because I get game flow on the other end and once the players settled in to the game, they usually quit doing that anyway.

Did you reply, "why don't you ask the player why he really needed to interrupt the game with that violation?" ;)

You're exactly right. Throw all the philosophies out the window and call the travel, just be 100+% when you make them. You don't want to have any "gotcha" travels, you want the real thing every time.:cool:

Anybody got anything to add to this?

Pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

The legend continues.

So you are watching somebody's feet? What else aren't you not watching?

I don't not get what you don't not mean here. :confused:

Yea, I always want to add, "Consider the source."