New Rule

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by lmeadski

As a practicing coach and ref, and having followed this entire thread, is it any wonder why refs get puffy when coaches get mad at refs!?

Don't make the mistake of equating "refs" with Old School. Never the twain shall meet.

Refs get puffy when they have to clean up after the Old Schools of the world. Coaches get mad if they do happen to run into an Old School masquerading as a ref.

[rainmaker]

Old School posts this at the bottom of every post.

Information listed here is just an opinion and should not be considered actual rule interpretation or the legal advice of this forum. Consult your rulebook if in doubt.

I hope that newer officials take it seriously!

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Old School posts this at the bottom of every post.

Information listed here is just an opinion and should not be considered actual rule interpretation or the legal advice of this forum. Consult your rulebook if in doubt.

I hope that newer officials take it seriously!

Remind anyone else of that ol' Chuck Elias?

He always said he might come back under an assumed name. Maybe the pressure of his schooling got to him.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I haven't check in on this thread for a couple days, and after reading Old School's posts, my head is hurting. I feel like Charlie Brown.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

You see, at best I can only be off less than a second.

Maybe, but if you put 1 second up, and the kid catches and shoots to win; and then the tape shows there should have only been .1 second.... You've got rules backing to leave the time at zero. You don't have rules backing to guess.

Originally Posted by Old School

A calculated yet educated, intellectual, interplantary, extra-ordinary response.

Uhm. You misspelled "guess."
I'm just saying.

Originally Posted by Old School

Another point that you should recognize, coaches job is to coach, referee's job is to referee. I don't tell you how to coach, you don't tell me how much time to put back on the clock. It's my job to know and the fact that I don't have to look at it to tell is the truth. Just like if there's 3 seconds left to go in the game and the clock never starts. No worry, I can count 3 seconds in my head, we're not replaying anything. Games over.

All I have to say is, thank God real refs are actually accountable for their actions on the court. Wreck league "assigners" on a power trip? Well, not so much, I guess.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Old School posts this at the bottom of every post.

Information listed here is just an opinion and should not be considered actual rule interpretation or the legal advice of this forum. Consult your rulebook if in doubt.

I hope that newer officials take it seriously!

I hope everyone takes it seriously. I acknowledge I don't know everything and sometimes do make mistakes. At least my mistakes are for the betterment of the game, but you can see how ANY official at any given time can easily get themselves in trouble because of the many different rulesets.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

I acknowledge I don't know everything and sometimes do make mistakes. At least my mistakes are for the betterment of the game, but you can see how ANY official at any given time can easily get themselves in trouble because of the many different rulesets.

Why don't you just put down something like "I've never owned a rule book in my life, I've never worked a game outside of rec leagues in my life, and I'm just guessing....so don't take anything that I post seriously"? That would be a heckuva lot more accurate summing up of your posting philosophy.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

I hope everyone takes it seriously. I acknowledge I don't know everything and sometimes do make mistakes. At least my mistakes are for the betterment of the game, but you can see how ANY official at any given time can easily get themselves in trouble because of the many different rulesets.

Delusions of Grandeur

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Sigh....and we just had a long thread on this exact same play also.

As usual, Old School is completely wrong. And , as usual also, he hasn't learned a damn thing from previous threads.

B3 gets 2 FT's with no time put back on the clock and no one lined up along the lanes.
- if B3 makes both FT's, the game is over with team B winning by one point.
- If B3 makes 1 out 2 FT's, the game is tied and you play OT.
- If B3 misses both FT's, the game is over with team A winning by 1 point.

See rule 5-6-2EXCEPTION3 and case book play 5.6.2SitG.

Silly freaking monkey.

Okay JRat, you are right about this one.

However, Rule 5 Section 3a Each period ends when time expires
Exception (2) If the officials whistle sounds prior to the horn or 00:0 on the game clock, the period is not over and time must be added to the clock.

Okay, I got my codes mixed up. Now you see why I say this is so dangerous. So many different rulesets, only one game. Why can't we all just get along? No....we got to be silly freaking monkeys because we got the rule wrong. You know, there's an old saying, it takes one to know one, to recognize one, and so, I bequeath upon you today, you are sir the Master Silly Monkey.

You're right about rule and if I kick that in a college/hs game. I'm immediately fired. Yet another major difference in the rulesets. I do believe in college we have the ability to go to the monitor to determine how much time should be put back, if one is being used.

[Scrapper1]

You know what I love about this forum?

This message is hidden because Old School is on your ignore list.

I love that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Okay JRat, you are right about this one.

However, Rule 5 Section 3a Each period ends when time expires
Exception (2) If the officials whistle sounds prior to the horn or 00:0 on the game clock, the period is not over and time must be added to the clock.

That's funny, I don't remember exception 2 in the NFHS rules. If you don't see the clock, then you can't put time back on it. If you can't put time back on it, then time has expired. It's not about the period being over (that won't happen until the free throws are attempted.) The rule is driven by whether or not time has expired. And again, if you don't know for sure (definite knowledge), then time has expired.

Originally Posted by Old School

I do believe in college we have the ability to go to the monitor to determine how much time should be put back, if one is being used.

Again with the delusions of grandeur.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

However, Rule 5 Section 3a Each period ends when time expires
Exception (2) If the officials whistle sounds prior to the horn or 00:0 on the game clock, the period is not over and time must be added to the clock.

WTF?

There is no rule 5-3a in either the NFHS rule book or the NCAA rulebook. Are you reading out of the Basketball Rulebook For Silly Monkeys again?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

WTF?

There is no rule 5-3a in either the NFHS rule book or the NCAA rulebook. Are you reading out of the Basketball Rulebook For Silly Monkeys again?

Wreck league Wrules, that's WTF.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

WTF?

There is no rule 5-3a in either the NFHS rule book or the NCAA rulebook. Are you reading out of the Basketball Rulebook For Silly Monkeys again?

Not even in the NBA or the . . . wait for it . . . SEC rulebooks!

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

WTF?

There is no rule 5-3a in either the NFHS rule book or the NCAA rulebook. Are you reading out of the Basketball Rulebook For Silly Monkeys again?

NBA moron, page 21 - you know they have officials too, and guess what, they have a rulebook too. One more thing, I lot more things make sense in their code then in Fed. Not all of us are sissy referee's that only referee kids and can only work out of one rulebook.