And One!!

[fullor30]

This harmless phrase has become nails on a chalkboard to me.

I'm tempted in pregame to tell 'em mention 'and one' and you get banged.

[JugglingReferee]

Interesting.

This phrase is most often used to voice an opinion that the official missed a call that, imo, has a huge impact on the game: points for a successful FT.

In a way, the phrase is challenging the compentency of the official. Surely this approach by coaches/players needs to be dealt with.

[kgeorge0263]

I also dislike the phrase "and 1', but it is common for coaches and players to pick up the popular saying. From the officials view...have a patient whistle and if the players can play through some contact, just call that way on the other end and if you have to come in with a late whistle...then do so!

Love having fridays off in the summer!

-KG

[Mark Padgett]

That's an automatic stop sign and "I don't want to hear that again, coach."

[cmckenna]

Why concern yourself with a coach telling you what brand of sneakers he wears?

When they yell And 1, yell back Reebok. That'll keep 'em thinking

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by cmckenna

Why concern yourself with a coach telling you what brand of sneakers he wears?

When they yell And 1, yell back Reebok. That'll keep 'em thinking

Perfect!!!..............I can't wait to use that!

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Interesting.

This phrase is most often used to voice an opinion that the official missed a call

Disagree. It's more often used to signify a great play, and it would be nice if the referee put his signature on it with a call. Players know officials don't call every foul they see.

In a way, the phrase is challenging the compentency of the official. Surely this approach by coaches/players needs to be dealt with.

Please! No it's not! The phrase is challenging you because it sure as sh!t don't bother me. We don't need to legislate every single little thing that happens on the court. If somebody's doing something on the court that you don't like, tell them not to do it again, (it works) but please give them a warning before T'ing.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Disagree. It's more often used to signify a great play, and it would be nice if the referee put his signature on it with a call. Players know officials don't call every foul they see.

Players think officials don't call every foul we see. Officials know officials don't call a foul every time there's contact. There's a difference, and real officials know what it is.

Originally Posted by Old School

Please! No it's not! The phrase is challenging you because is sure as sh!t don't bother me. We don't need to legislate every single little thing that happens on the court. If somebody's doing something on the court that you don't like, tell them not to do it again, (it works) but please give them a warning before T'ing.

Yet more bad advice, only because there are times when you have to T without a warning. Oh, and also because there's nothing in the rules that tells you to give "warnings" for anything but specific delay of game infractions.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Players think officials don't call every foul we see. Officials know officials don't call a foul every time there's contact. There's a difference, and real officials know what it is.

Yet more bad advice, only because there are times when you have to T without a warning. Oh, and also because there's nothing in the rules that tells you to give "warnings" for anything but specific delay of game infractions.

If you do it again, I'm going to give you a T works very well for me. You're right, to hell with a warning, just tell them don't do it again. I always like resolving an issue without enforcing a Technical, but that's just me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

If you do it again, I'm going to give you a T works very well for me. You're right, to hell with a warning, just tell them don't do it again. I always like resolving an issue without enforcing a Technical, but that's just me.

I'm not saying not to give little warnings when appropriate. I'm saying not to instruct other officials to withhold the T until they've given a warning. There are times to warn, and there are times to go straight to the T.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yet more bad advice, only because there are times when you have to T without a warning. Oh, and also because there's nothing in the rules that tells you to give "warnings" for anything but specific delay of game infractions.

How so? If you can talk him/her out of a foul, you should do so! I'm not saying you should warn a player throughout the game, but if you can save them a foul and keep the game flowing, then why not? There are times to call T to deescalate a situation; there are also time you don't want to be too good with your whistle.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

How so? If you can talk him/her out of a foul, you should do so! I'm not saying you should warn a player throughout the game, but if you can save them a foul and keep the game flowing, then why not? There are times to call T to deescalate a situation; there are also time you don't want to be too good with your whistle.

The time to talk them out of fouls, if you're going to do it, is when the stuff is borderline. If they march across the line before you get a chance to talk them down, you don't talk them out of it. It's too late. OS said not to call this T without a warning. I simply said it's bad advice because often times warnings aren't practical.

Is it good game management? Sometimes, but you can't teach an official that he has to give a warning first, because there's no rule that says so.

And I firmly disagree with what's in red. Nothing anywhere says you "should" talk them out of fouls, even if you can. A lot will, but "should" is far too strong.

[Mwanr1]

I agree with Old School. The term, "And 1" is often said not only to the refs, but also to the player who fouls the scorer. Saying "And 1" and "ref, I was fouled on the shot" is the same - they just wanted the foul call. Usually after saying "And 1," the players who said it is over the no-call. Basketball is an emotional sport - if you take it to the heart, you are over-doing your officiating.

I don't think anyone would bang a player for saying, " I was foul". So why would you do so if a player says, "And 1"?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

I agree with Old School.

Pigs just flew past my window.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

I agree with Old School. The term, "And 1" is often said not only to the refs, but also to the player who fouls the scorer. Saying "And 1" and "ref, I was fouled on the shot" is the same - they just wanted the foul call. Usually after saying "And 1," the players who said it is over the no-call. Basketball is an emotional sport - if you take it to the heart, you are over-doing your officiating.

I don't think anyone would bang a player for saying, " I was foul". So why would you do so if a player says, "And 1"?

I almost missed this. first of all, if they're saying it to the opponent, I can easily see this escalating quickly to taunting if it goes unchecked. Frankly, if a player is doing this, it easily gets to taunting before you have a chance to check it. I've never seen a single player in high school ball direct this towards an opponent; and at that level, I wouldn't allow it.

To paraphrase the immortal Rutledge, it's not what's said so much as what's meant. To know that, you hear what's said and how. Saying "and 1" to the ref is the same, as you state, as saying "you missed the foul." I might let it pass once or twice, depending on the volume, body language, game situation, etc. After that, it's going to get addressed just like a coach constantly chirping from the sideline "travel, three seconds, five seconds, double dribble," you get the drift. Even more so with players; you don't allow players to consistently ask you for travel calls do you?

I'll let a coach talk a bit; but when a defender gets beat and looks at me making a traveling signal, it doesn't get ignored. Likewise when a shooter announces, "And one."