And One!!

fullor30 · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 01:09pm

This harmless phrase has become nails on a chalkboard to me.

I'm tempted in pregame to tell 'em mention 'and one' and you get banged.

JugglingReferee · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 01:19pm

Interesting.

This phrase is most often used to voice an opinion that the official missed a call that, imo, has a huge impact on the game: points for a successful FT.

In a way, the phrase is challenging the compentency of the official. Surely this approach by coaches/players needs to be dealt with.

kgeorge0263 · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 01:24pm

I also dislike the phrase "and 1', but it is common for coaches and players to pick up the popular saying. From the officials view...have a patient whistle and if the players can play through some contact, just call that way on the other end and if you have to come in with a late whistle...then do so!

Love having fridays off in the summer!

-KG

Mark Padgett · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 01:31pm

That's an automatic stop sign and "I don't want to hear that again, coach."

cmckenna · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 02:39pm

Why concern yourself with a coach telling you what brand of sneakers he wears?

When they yell And 1, yell back Reebok. That'll keep 'em thinking

fullor30 · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 02:45pm

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Originally Posted by cmckenna

Why concern yourself with a coach telling you what brand of sneakers he wears?

When they yell And 1, yell back Reebok. That'll keep 'em thinking

Perfect!!!..............I can't wait to use that!

Mwanr1 · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 04:45pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30

Perfect!!!..............I can't wait to use that!

Only answer the questions, not statement

Old School · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 05:20pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30

This harmless phrase has become nails on a chalkboard to me.

I'm tempted in pregame to tell 'em mention 'and one' and you get banged.

But you nailed it, it's harmless. Players say this to one another in pickup games. Really got nothing to do with the ref's. I say it's just another part of the game. In fact, it only becomes a big deal if YOU make it a big deal.

With that being said, if someone And-1 me and then proceeds to tell me how he got foul, show me where he got, etc. That's a different story. Learn to recognize the difference and penalize as such you see fit. If they and-1 me AND then take they azz on down the court, got no problem with that.

Old School · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 05:35pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Interesting.

This phrase is most often used to voice an opinion that the official missed a call

Disagree. It's more often used to signify a great play, and it would be nice if the referee put his signature on it with a call. Players know officials don't call every foul they see.

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In a way, the phrase is challenging the compentency of the official. Surely this approach by coaches/players needs to be dealt with.

Please! No it's not! The phrase is challenging you because it sure as sh!t don't bother me. We don't need to legislate every single little thing that happens on the court. If somebody's doing something on the court that you don't like, tell them not to do it again, (it works) but please give them a warning before T'ing.

Adam · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 05:40pm

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Originally Posted by Old School

Disagree. It's more often used to signify a great play, and it would be nice if the referee put his signature on it with a call. Players know officials don't call every foul they see.

Players think officials don't call every foul we see. Officials know officials don't call a foul every time there's contact. There's a difference, and real officials know what it is.

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Originally Posted by Old School

Please! No it's not! The phrase is challenging you because is sure as sh!t don't bother me. We don't need to legislate every single little thing that happens on the court. If somebody's doing something on the court that you don't like, tell them not to do it again, (it works) but please give them a warning before T'ing.

Yet more bad advice, only because there are times when you have to T without a warning. Oh, and also because there's nothing in the rules that tells you to give "warnings" for anything but specific delay of game infractions.

Mwanr1 · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 05:45pm

I agree with Old School. The term, "And 1" is often said not only to the refs, but also to the player who fouls the scorer. Saying "And 1" and "ref, I was fouled on the shot" is the same - they just wanted the foul call. Usually after saying "And 1," the players who said it is over the no-call. Basketball is an emotional sport - if you take it to the heart, you are over-doing your officiating.

I don't think anyone would bang a player for saying, " I was foul". So why would you do so if a player says, "And 1"?

Old School · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 05:47pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Players think officials don't call every foul we see. Officials know officials don't call a foul every time there's contact. There's a difference, and real officials know what it is.

Yet more bad advice, only because there are times when you have to T without a warning. Oh, and also because there's nothing in the rules that tells you to give "warnings" for anything but specific delay of game infractions.

If you do it again, I'm going to give you a T works very well for me. You're right, to hell with a warning, just tell them don't do it again. I always like resolving an issue without enforcing a Technical, but that's just me.

Adam · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 05:51pm

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Originally Posted by Old School

If you do it again, I'm going to give you a T works very well for me. You're right, to hell with a warning, just tell them don't do it again. I always like resolving an issue without enforcing a Technical, but that's just me.

I'm not saying not to give little warnings when appropriate. I'm saying not to instruct other officials to withhold the T until they've given a warning. There are times to warn, and there are times to go straight to the T.

Mwanr1 · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 05:58pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yet more bad advice, only because there are times when you have to T without a warning. Oh, and also because there's nothing in the rules that tells you to give "warnings" for anything but specific delay of game infractions.

How so? If you can talk him/her out of a foul, you should do so! I'm not saying you should warn a player throughout the game, but if you can save them a foul and keep the game flowing, then why not? There are times to call T to deescalate a situation; there are also time you don't want to be too good with your whistle.

Old School · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 05:58pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm not saying not to give little warnings when appropriate. I'm saying not to instruct other officials to withhold the T until they've given a warning. There are times to warn, and there are times to go straight to the T.

But we where talking about an AND-1. So lighten up....