And One!!

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yet more bad advice, only because there are times when you have to T without a warning. Oh, and also because there's nothing in the rules that tells you to give "warnings" for anything but specific delay of game infractions.

How so? If you can talk him/her out of a foul, you should do so! I'm not saying you should warn a player throughout the game, but if you can save them a foul and keep the game flowing, then why not? There are times to call T to deescalate a situation; there are also time you don't want to be too good with your whistle.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

How so? If you can talk him/her out of a foul, you should do so! I'm not saying you should warn a player throughout the game, but if you can save them a foul and keep the game flowing, then why not? There are times to call T to deescalate a situation; there are also time you don't want to be too good with your whistle.

The time to talk them out of fouls, if you're going to do it, is when the stuff is borderline. If they march across the line before you get a chance to talk them down, you don't talk them out of it. It's too late. OS said not to call this T without a warning. I simply said it's bad advice because often times warnings aren't practical.

Is it good game management? Sometimes, but you can't teach an official that he has to give a warning first, because there's no rule that says so.

And I firmly disagree with what's in red. Nothing anywhere says you "should" talk them out of fouls, even if you can. A lot will, but "should" is far too strong.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The time to talk them out of fouls, if you're going to do it, is when the stuff is borderline.

Which is exactly what saying and-a is. It is not a major situation where we need to jump in and start throwing T's.

OS said not to call this T without a warning. I simply said it's bad advice because often times warnings aren't practical. Is it good game management? Sometimes, but you can't teach an official that he has to give a warning first, because there's no rule that says so.

And this is why you will remain a lower level official because one things for sure, an assigner does not want to put an official on the floor that's going to T up a player for saying And-1. I can see you now, coach, why did my player get a T, because he said And-1. That's going to go over real good, and let's just hope the parent or coach doesn't work for the company or there could be some serious legal issues for you to deal with. Like slander....

I should put together a book entitled Common Sense Officiating. Things you may not want to do in a game that could stunt your career. I see a lot of you need it. Little things you can do that will make your games run smoother, and keep you out of hot water.
#1 have a personality.
#2 smile, it ain't that damn serious.
#3 warnings, no limit to how many you can give.
#3a. warning buss word - that's enough...! Repeated several times will defuse most technical foul situations.
#4 games with no technicals tend to run a little smoother
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#99. I'll end with this one, but the rest you will have to get the book. Failure to apply these common sense items could mean stunting your career in a permanment manner.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Which is exactly what saying and-a is. It is not a major situation where we need to jump in and start throwing T's.

And this is why you will remain a lower level official because one things for sure, an assigner does not want to put an official on the floor that's going to T up a player for saying And-1. I can see you now, coach, why did my player get a T, because he said And-1. That's going to go over real good, and let's just hope the parent or coach doesn't work for the company or there could be some serious legal issues for you to deal with. Like slander....

I should put together a book entitled Common Sense Officiating. Things you may not want to do in a game that could stunt your career. I see a lot of you need it. Little things you can do that will make your games run smoother, and keep you out of hot water.
#1 have a personality.
#2 smile, it ain't that damn serious.
#3 warnings, no limit to how many you can give.
#3a. warning buss word - that's enough...! Repeated several times will defuse most technical foul situations.
#4 games with no technicals tend to run a little smoother
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#99. I'll end with this one, but the rest you will have to get the book. Failure to apply these common sense items could mean stunting your career in a permanment manner.

I'll end with this one without even getting into some of the unbelievably wrong things that you posted above, you don't have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to a real basketball game. Hell, your nonsense above would even get you into doodoo in your rec leagues if the players were shaving age.

Sigh.....ten thousand silly monkeys with ten thousand typewriters....

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Old School

let's just hope the parent or coach doesn't work for the company or there could be some serious legal issues for you to deal with. Like slander....

What the hell does this mean????

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

What the hell does this mean????

Don't even try to guess. It'll just make your head hurt.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Old School

I should put together a book entitled Common Sense Officiating. Things you may not want to do in a game that could stunt your career. I see a lot of you need it. Little things you can do that will make your games run smoother, and keep you out of hot water.

Guess you'll have a lot of time on your hands once the feds throw you in the slammer.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Old School

#4 games with no technicals tend to run a little smoother

Games with no need to call a technical do run pretty smooth. BUt when the time comes for a T, and it isn't called, SMOOTH isn't what the game is called. BRAWL would be more like it.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Old School

Which is exactly what saying and-a is. It is not a major situation where we need to jump in and start throwing T's.

As several have said, it's often not a major situation, but it can be. One simple rule doesn't cover it. Which you agree with, sometimes, and then disagree with, sometimes. I'm just not finding your posts on this subject very helpful.