And One!!

[JugglingReferee]

Interesting.

This phrase is most often used to voice an opinion that the official missed a call that, imo, has a huge impact on the game: points for a successful FT.

In a way, the phrase is challenging the compentency of the official. Surely this approach by coaches/players needs to be dealt with.

[kgeorge0263]

I also dislike the phrase "and 1', but it is common for coaches and players to pick up the popular saying. From the officials view...have a patient whistle and if the players can play through some contact, just call that way on the other end and if you have to come in with a late whistle...then do so!

Love having fridays off in the summer!

-KG

[Mark Padgett]

That's an automatic stop sign and "I don't want to hear that again, coach."

[cmckenna]

Why concern yourself with a coach telling you what brand of sneakers he wears?

When they yell And 1, yell back Reebok. That'll keep 'em thinking

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by cmckenna

Why concern yourself with a coach telling you what brand of sneakers he wears?

When they yell And 1, yell back Reebok. That'll keep 'em thinking

Perfect!!!..............I can't wait to use that!

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Perfect!!!..............I can't wait to use that!

Only answer the questions, not statement

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Interesting.

This phrase is most often used to voice an opinion that the official missed a call

Disagree. It's more often used to signify a great play, and it would be nice if the referee put his signature on it with a call. Players know officials don't call every foul they see.

In a way, the phrase is challenging the compentency of the official. Surely this approach by coaches/players needs to be dealt with.

Please! No it's not! The phrase is challenging you because it sure as sh!t don't bother me. We don't need to legislate every single little thing that happens on the court. If somebody's doing something on the court that you don't like, tell them not to do it again, (it works) but please give them a warning before T'ing.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Disagree. It's more often used to signify a great play, and it would be nice if the referee put his signature on it with a call. Players know officials don't call every foul they see.

Players think officials don't call every foul we see. Officials know officials don't call a foul every time there's contact. There's a difference, and real officials know what it is.

Originally Posted by Old School

Please! No it's not! The phrase is challenging you because is sure as sh!t don't bother me. We don't need to legislate every single little thing that happens on the court. If somebody's doing something on the court that you don't like, tell them not to do it again, (it works) but please give them a warning before T'ing.

Yet more bad advice, only because there are times when you have to T without a warning. Oh, and also because there's nothing in the rules that tells you to give "warnings" for anything but specific delay of game infractions.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Players think officials don't call every foul we see. Officials know officials don't call a foul every time there's contact. There's a difference, and real officials know what it is.

Yet more bad advice, only because there are times when you have to T without a warning. Oh, and also because there's nothing in the rules that tells you to give "warnings" for anything but specific delay of game infractions.

If you do it again, I'm going to give you a T works very well for me. You're right, to hell with a warning, just tell them don't do it again. I always like resolving an issue without enforcing a Technical, but that's just me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

If you do it again, I'm going to give you a T works very well for me. You're right, to hell with a warning, just tell them don't do it again. I always like resolving an issue without enforcing a Technical, but that's just me.

I'm not saying not to give little warnings when appropriate. I'm saying not to instruct other officials to withhold the T until they've given a warning. There are times to warn, and there are times to go straight to the T.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm not saying not to give little warnings when appropriate. I'm saying not to instruct other officials to withhold the T until they've given a warning. There are times to warn, and there are times to go straight to the T.

But we where talking about an AND-1. So lighten up....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

But we where talking about an AND-1. So lighten up....

Yup, and I can certainly see situations where this might warrant a T. Like it or not, it means the same thing as yelling "He got fouled and the ref missed it." I'm fine with that coming from the fans, and I'll let a few go from coaches and players, normally.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yet more bad advice, only because there are times when you have to T without a warning. Oh, and also because there's nothing in the rules that tells you to give "warnings" for anything but specific delay of game infractions.

How so? If you can talk him/her out of a foul, you should do so! I'm not saying you should warn a player throughout the game, but if you can save them a foul and keep the game flowing, then why not? There are times to call T to deescalate a situation; there are also time you don't want to be too good with your whistle.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

How so? If you can talk him/her out of a foul, you should do so! I'm not saying you should warn a player throughout the game, but if you can save them a foul and keep the game flowing, then why not? There are times to call T to deescalate a situation; there are also time you don't want to be too good with your whistle.

The time to talk them out of fouls, if you're going to do it, is when the stuff is borderline. If they march across the line before you get a chance to talk them down, you don't talk them out of it. It's too late. OS said not to call this T without a warning. I simply said it's bad advice because often times warnings aren't practical.

Is it good game management? Sometimes, but you can't teach an official that he has to give a warning first, because there's no rule that says so.

And I firmly disagree with what's in red. Nothing anywhere says you "should" talk them out of fouls, even if you can. A lot will, but "should" is far too strong.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The time to talk them out of fouls, if you're going to do it, is when the stuff is borderline.

Which is exactly what saying and-a is. It is not a major situation where we need to jump in and start throwing T's.

OS said not to call this T without a warning. I simply said it's bad advice because often times warnings aren't practical. Is it good game management? Sometimes, but you can't teach an official that he has to give a warning first, because there's no rule that says so.

And this is why you will remain a lower level official because one things for sure, an assigner does not want to put an official on the floor that's going to T up a player for saying And-1. I can see you now, coach, why did my player get a T, because he said And-1. That's going to go over real good, and let's just hope the parent or coach doesn't work for the company or there could be some serious legal issues for you to deal with. Like slander....

I should put together a book entitled Common Sense Officiating. Things you may not want to do in a game that could stunt your career. I see a lot of you need it. Little things you can do that will make your games run smoother, and keep you out of hot water.
#1 have a personality.
#2 smile, it ain't that damn serious.
#3 warnings, no limit to how many you can give.
#3a. warning buss word - that's enough...! Repeated several times will defuse most technical foul situations.
#4 games with no technicals tend to run a little smoother
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#99. I'll end with this one, but the rest you will have to get the book. Failure to apply these common sense items could mean stunting your career in a permanment manner.