FBI investigating NBA ref

[Adam]

When you hear or read someone spouting off his opinion on anything, you judge that opinion in large part on your view of that person's over all credibility; and in particular his credibility on the subject at hand.

Therefore, personal opinions about individual posters are relevant to a discussion in which those posters only contribute opinions.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Therefore, personal opinions about individual posters are relevant to a discussion in which those posters only contribute opinions.

Personal opinions of others are never relevent!

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Old School

Personal opinions of others are never relevent!

That's your opinion of course.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Old School

Personal opinions of others are never relevent!

Keep that in mind every time you post.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Personal opinions of others are never relevent!

How else do you judge someone's opinion in the midst of a discussion? The only way to do so is to somehow form an opinion of them, either personally or professionally. It happens all the time in politics, sports, religion, etc. In this age of information, we have to find a way to filter the baby out of the bath water before dumping the bad water down the drain. Therefore, you form the best opinion you can manage of the people offering their opinions; and judge their opinions according to their relative worth.

[psujaye]

(this may have already been discussed but this thread is 13 pages long)
what are everyone's thoughts on handling Donaghy references from coaches/players during a game? Quick & easy tech? i was working a middle school summer league last night and a coach said 'that's a shaving points call'. i bit my whistle on it but it was the first game i worked since the news broke, so i suspect its the first of a plethora of comments.

also- i dug through the casebook/rulebook on this one; happened to me at a camp & i didn't make a call; a player is laying across the midcourt line on the floor with control of the ball in his hands in the frontcourt (his feet are in the backcourt but not touching the floor). Can he pass it to a teammate who is clearly in the backcourt?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by psujaye

(this may have already been discussed but this thread is 13 pages long)
what are everyone's thoughts on handling Donaghy references from coaches/players during a game? Quick & easy tech? i was working a middle school summer league last night and a coach said 'that's a shaving points call'. i bit my whistle on it but it was the first game i worked since the news broke, so i suspect its the first of a plethora of comments.

What do you mean he "said" it?

Yelled it across the court? T him immediately.

Said it so only you heard it? Tell him not to be an @sshole, no one cares enough about his games to give them an over/under.

also- i dug through the casebook/rulebook on this one; happened to me at a camp & i didn't make a call; a player is laying across the midcourt line on the floor with control of the ball in his hands in the frontcourt (his feet are in the backcourt but not touching the floor). Can he pass it to a teammate who is clearly in the backcourt?

Look up the rule that says how a player gains FC status.

[psujaye]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

What do you mean he "said" it?

Yelled it across the court? T him immediately.

Said it so only you heard it? Tell him not to be an @sshole, no one cares enough about his games to give them an over/under.

Look up the rule that says how a player gains FC status.

he said it loud enough for me to hear it w/o rabbit ears. i would never call a coach an @sshole while working a game; that can't be defended at all.

I'm aware that the rule is you need the ball & both feet to have FC status, but in the case that he is lying on the floor, i was wondering if his torso would be considered his feet i.e. almost like a traveling call if he rolled over.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by psujaye

he said it loud enough for me to hear it w/o rabbit ears. i would never call a coach an @sshole while working a game; that can't be defended at all.

What's he gonna do? Tell everyone that he accused you of shaving points and then you called him an @sshole?

I'm aware that the rule is you need the ball & both feet to have FC status, but in the case that he is lying on the floor, i was wondering if his torso would be considered his feet i.e. almost like a traveling call if he rolled over.

You need to be aware of nfhs 4-35-2

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by psujaye

I'm aware that the rule is you need the ball & both feet to have FC status,

You need the ball and both feet to do what, exactly? All three must touch the frontcourt? In your play, the player was HOLDING the ball on the floor. You might want to look over Dan_ref's rule citation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by psujaye

he said it loud enough for me to hear it w/o rabbit ears. i would never call a coach an @sshole while working a game; that can't be defended at all.

I'm aware that the rule is you need the ball & both feet to have FC status, but in the case that he is lying on the floor, i was wondering if his torso would be considered his feet i.e. almost like a traveling call if he rolled over.

I'll break it down. When holding the ball, you only need to have something touching the front court and nothing touching the backcourt. If you're standing on one foot holding the ball, if that foot is in the front court, you're in the front court. You could be doing a half-a$$ hokey-pokey with the other leg shaking it over the back court line; you're still in the FC and so is the ball. Air space is irrelevant.
The only time three points come into play (both feet and the ball) is while dribbling.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by psujaye

(this may have already been discussed but this thread is 13 pages long)
a coach said 'that's a shaving points call'.

This is a direct comment toward your integrity as an official. Its entirely up to you how you handle it from here on out, but, my opinion is if its said loud enough that I hear it on the court hes earned a T and we are shooting 2.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by psujaye

(this may have already been discussed but this thread is 13 pages long)
what are everyone's thoughts on handling Donaghy references from coaches/players during a game? Quick & easy tech? i was working a middle school summer league last night and a coach said 'that's a shaving points call'. i bit my whistle on it but it was the first game i worked since the news broke, so i suspect its the first of a plethora of comments.

Stop this quickly with a T. This prevents it from getting out of control, and doing it early allows you to maintain your composure the rest of the game.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

How else do you judge someone's opinion in the midst of a discussion? The only way to do so is to somehow form an opinion of them, either personally or professionally. It happens all the time in politics, sports, religion, etc. In this age of information, we have to find a way to filter the baby out of the bath water before dumping the bad water down the drain. Therefore, you form the best opinion you can manage of the people offering their opinions; and judge their opinions according to their relative worth.

Why not just judge what they are saying instead of judging the person.

Judge me for the content of my character and not the color of my skin. Martin Luther King

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Old School

Why not just judge what they are saying instead of judging the person.

I will keep this sports related. If a D1 official or even an accomplished NBA official is speaking on moving up the latter, I think most people would receive them differently than someone that is a lower level HS official.

Originally Posted by Old School

Judge me for the content of my character and not the color of my skin. Martin Luther King

Judging someone on their character is based largely on their accomplishments. And the nature of those accomplishments also can speak to your character.

Peace