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[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

It is NOT illegal to share your opinion on this forum.

Yup, and I gave my opinion about you, JMO.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, and I gave my opinion about you, JMO.

Point is why? Your opinion about me has nothing to do with the discussion.

[Adam]

When you hear or read someone spouting off his opinion on anything, you judge that opinion in large part on your view of that person's over all credibility; and in particular his credibility on the subject at hand.

Therefore, personal opinions about individual posters are relevant to a discussion in which those posters only contribute opinions.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Therefore, personal opinions about individual posters are relevant to a discussion in which those posters only contribute opinions.

Personal opinions of others are never relevent!

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Old School

Personal opinions of others are never relevent!

That's your opinion of course.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Old School

Personal opinions of others are never relevent!

Keep that in mind every time you post.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Personal opinions of others are never relevent!

How else do you judge someone's opinion in the midst of a discussion? The only way to do so is to somehow form an opinion of them, either personally or professionally. It happens all the time in politics, sports, religion, etc. In this age of information, we have to find a way to filter the baby out of the bath water before dumping the bad water down the drain. Therefore, you form the best opinion you can manage of the people offering their opinions; and judge their opinions according to their relative worth.

[psujaye]

(this may have already been discussed but this thread is 13 pages long)
what are everyone's thoughts on handling Donaghy references from coaches/players during a game? Quick & easy tech? i was working a middle school summer league last night and a coach said 'that's a shaving points call'. i bit my whistle on it but it was the first game i worked since the news broke, so i suspect its the first of a plethora of comments.

also- i dug through the casebook/rulebook on this one; happened to me at a camp & i didn't make a call; a player is laying across the midcourt line on the floor with control of the ball in his hands in the frontcourt (his feet are in the backcourt but not touching the floor). Can he pass it to a teammate who is clearly in the backcourt?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by psujaye

(this may have already been discussed but this thread is 13 pages long)
what are everyone's thoughts on handling Donaghy references from coaches/players during a game? Quick & easy tech? i was working a middle school summer league last night and a coach said 'that's a shaving points call'. i bit my whistle on it but it was the first game i worked since the news broke, so i suspect its the first of a plethora of comments.

What do you mean he "said" it?

Yelled it across the court? T him immediately.

Said it so only you heard it? Tell him not to be an @sshole, no one cares enough about his games to give them an over/under.

also- i dug through the casebook/rulebook on this one; happened to me at a camp & i didn't make a call; a player is laying across the midcourt line on the floor with control of the ball in his hands in the frontcourt (his feet are in the backcourt but not touching the floor). Can he pass it to a teammate who is clearly in the backcourt?

Look up the rule that says how a player gains FC status.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by psujaye

(this may have already been discussed but this thread is 13 pages long)
a coach said 'that's a shaving points call'.

This is a direct comment toward your integrity as an official. Its entirely up to you how you handle it from here on out, but, my opinion is if its said loud enough that I hear it on the court hes earned a T and we are shooting 2.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by psujaye

(this may have already been discussed but this thread is 13 pages long)
what are everyone's thoughts on handling Donaghy references from coaches/players during a game? Quick & easy tech? i was working a middle school summer league last night and a coach said 'that's a shaving points call'. i bit my whistle on it but it was the first game i worked since the news broke, so i suspect its the first of a plethora of comments.

Stop this quickly with a T. This prevents it from getting out of control, and doing it early allows you to maintain your composure the rest of the game.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

How else do you judge someone's opinion in the midst of a discussion? The only way to do so is to somehow form an opinion of them, either personally or professionally. It happens all the time in politics, sports, religion, etc. In this age of information, we have to find a way to filter the baby out of the bath water before dumping the bad water down the drain. Therefore, you form the best opinion you can manage of the people offering their opinions; and judge their opinions according to their relative worth.

Why not just judge what they are saying instead of judging the person.

Judge me for the content of my character and not the color of my skin. Martin Luther King

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Old School

Why not just judge what they are saying instead of judging the person.

I will keep this sports related. If a D1 official or even an accomplished NBA official is speaking on moving up the latter, I think most people would receive them differently than someone that is a lower level HS official.

Originally Posted by Old School

Judge me for the content of my character and not the color of my skin. Martin Luther King

Judging someone on their character is based largely on their accomplishments. And the nature of those accomplishments also can speak to your character.

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Old School

Why not just judge what they are saying instead of judging the person.

Judge me for the content of my character and not the color of my skin. Martin Luther King

The content of your character is partly apparent when you don't tell us where you work, who you work for, what association you are in, what your reality is. When you imply that you work a higher level than you really do, your character is very clear to all of us.

We judge what you say, and not your person, and then you get all testy and chippy. You don't say things that are not meaningful or significant for most refs who work in high school ball and have to use NFHS rules. Worse, some of the things you say are confusing or misleading to these refs. THat's not judging the person, that's judging the things you say. As you request.

And how could we possibly judge by the color of your skin when you have never been seen by any of us, and WE DON"T KNOW THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN???? In other words, judging by what you say, what you say is confusing and irrelevant (note spelling).

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Old School

Why not just judge what they are saying instead of judging the person.

Judge me for the content of my character and not the color of my skin. Martin Luther King

And this...

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Goes on to say stuff about casting pearls before swine and looking out for wolves in sheep's clothing, good trees, bad trees..stuff like that. All somehow Old School related.

Except for the good trees of course.