FBI investigating NBA ref

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

and another young official that's never done a high school varsity game in his life either afaik

Lah me.....

Where do you get that information from? I've done HS varsity and more. I don't have to explain myself to you though. I am sorry I haven't been alive half as long as the amount of years you have been in the profession. You are an assignor, right. Maybe you are like the supervisors in the NBA that this Mike Mathis guy has been talking about. Maybe you just couldn't hack it so you got into the only other thing basketball officiating could provide you...supervising. It hurts doesn't it? So why do that to others? I don't do it to be mean, I do it to illustrate a point. You are a grumpy old man. why must we talk about this? Why do you even bring up experience? If you don't like what any of us have to say, then just say so. You don't have to attack anyone's experience level.

BTW, if you want to know what I work just ask Chuck Elias. We recently met. He seems like a great guy and I wish I could have sat and talked with him more.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Where do you get that information from? I've done HS varsity and more. I don't have to explain myself to you though. I am sorry I haven't been alive half as long as the amount of years you have been in the profession. You are an assignor, right. Maybe you are like the supervisors in the NBA that this Mike Mathis guy has been talking about. Maybe you just couldn't hack it so you got into the only other thing basketball officiating could provide you...supervising. It hurts doesn't it? So why do that to others? I don't do it to be mean, I do it to illustrate a point. You are a grumpy old man. why must we talk about this? Why do you even bring up experience? If you don't like what any of us have to say, then just say so. You don't have to attack anyone's experience level.

BTW, if you want to know what I work just ask Chuck Elias. We recently met. He seems like a great guy and I wish I could have sat and talked with him more.

I know more about you than you know, Ben, believe me. It's a joke when somebody with your experience and rules knowledge starts to critique officials at the D1 and NBA levels.

At the start of the season that just ended, you admitted that you've never done a high school game in your life at any level- Frosh, JV, whatever. And I hate to break it to you, but doing a low level D3 or JC game because no one else is available in the afternoon is not the same as doing D1 ball .
http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...877#post334877
Now all of a sudden you've done HS varsity and more. What is "more"? D1? NBA? Maybe you should build up a little spit in your whistle before you start expounding at how good or bad officials are at levels that you can only dream of attaining. Hell, it's probably a good idea if you learn a few basics rules first- like maybe that you can't call a "T" on a player who has rattled the board while making a legitimate attempt at a block.
http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...891#post358891

If you want to "illustrate points", maybe you should actually learn those points first. Don't let that stop you, and Old School, from telling us what's wrong with D1 and NBA officials though.

Here's a little advice for you. You can learn a lot more listening than talking. Feel free to ignore that though because whatthehell does a grumpy old man know anyway.

[JRutledge]

The one thing we can count on is when JR dresses someone down. Not only did he make a comment about a certain person’s comments, he showed the darn posts that the comments were made. I am scared of you JR. Damn that was good. It kind of puts all the comments into a different light. I was not even paying attention that closely. I guess I need to read more posts on this board.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Hell, it's probably a good idea if you learn a few basics rules first- like maybe that you can't call a "T" on a player who has rattled the board while making a legitimate attempt at a block.
http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...891#post358891

I had this come up in a game this past weekend. The coach was upset because his player took a running six-footer and the opponent took a big swipe trying to block the shot, but missed the ball and smacked the backboard. The ball hit the board, the ring, and then bounced off.

The coach first complained to my partner who was the Trail on the play, and then later asked me during a FT if the rule on hitting the backboard had changed. I told him that it had not and that as long as the player makes a legitimate attempt to block the shot that there is nothing wrong with the play. He replied that they don't call it that way in California.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I told him that it had not and that as long as the player makes a legitimate attempt to block the shot that there is nothing wrong with the play. He replied that they don't call it that way in California.

Damn 9th Circuit Court of Appeals!

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I know more about you than you know, Ben, believe me. It's a joke when somebody with your experience and rules knowledge starts to critique officials at the D1 and NBA levels.

At the start of the season that just ended, you admitted that you've never done a high school game in your life at any level- Frosh, JV, whatever. And I hate to break it to you, but doing a low level D3 or JC game because no one else is available in the afternoon is not the same as doing D1 ball .
http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...877#post334877
Now all of a sudden you've done HS varsity and more. What is "more"? D1? NBA? Maybe you should build up a little spit in your whistle before you start expounding at how good or bad officials are at levels that you can only dream of attaining. Hell, it's probably a good idea if you learn a few basics rules first- like maybe that you can't call a "T" on a player who has rattled the board while making a legitimate attempt at a block.
http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...891#post358891

If you want to "illustrate points", maybe you should actually learn those points first. Don't let that stop you, and Old School, from telling us what's wrong with D1 and NBA officials though.

Here's a little advice for you. You can learn a lot more listening than talking. Feel free to ignore that though because whatthehell does a grumpy old man know anyway.

Besides knowing my name you don't know jack about me. You don't know where I've worked or at what level.

I don't tell you what's wrong about college officials, I tell you what I PERSONALLY don't like about how we as college officials are supposed to and taught to officiate the game. I love to ref college ball but I believe in the pro mechanics. I don't hide that. People can hate on the observers. I met one of them recently and he seemed quite knowledgeable to me. I also met one of the group supervisors. Once again he seemed like an intelligent basketball referee. I do somewhat agree with Hue Hollins about getting the best of the best to be observers or group supervisors. Why don't they do it then?

Under the "more" category you can list both of which you mentioned.

As far as listening more than talking, you're right and if we met I would listen to you talk the whole time, granted I would ask some questions as well. I know if we were face to face you wouldn't attack me, you would talk to me like a human being, at least I hope you would.

Jurassic you're HS rules knowledge is uncanny. You can remember alot and I think you are a big asset to alot of the people on this forum, but we, like coaches and refs sometimes, have polar personalities and beliefs which can cause for butting heads. It doesn't help that you think I am an arrogant young kid and you are alot older than me, but if I can't have my own opinion because I am younger than how do I learn. If we can't discuss basketball plays and have an opinion, then what hopes do I have of having my own thoughts on the court and becoming a better referee?

P.S. I'm whacking the kid if the ball doesn't go in when I believe it had a chance to. I then go tell the coach that i judged that he wasn't making a legit attempt to block the ball. haha

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

P.S. I'm whacking the kid if the ball doesn't go in when I believe it had a chance to. I then go tell the coach that i judged that he wasn't making a legit attempt to block the ball.

You might really be surprised as to what I know about you, Ben.

And the statement above is exactly why I can't take you seriously. Its a complete waste of time talking to you and it has been since you started posting here. You're already positive that you know everything there is to know about basketball officiating. Except for maybe some basic rules, of course.

You're just another Old School imo. Another rec league warrior who's never done a meaningful game in their life.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You might really be surprised as to what I know about you, Ben.

And the statement above is exactly why I can't take you seriously. Its a complete waste of time talking to you and it has been since you started posting here. You're already positive that you know everything there is to know about basketball officiating. Except for maybe some basic rules, of course.

You're just another Old School imo. Another rec league warrior who's never done a meaningful game in their life.

First of all I swore I put "haha" and a smiley face at the end of that.

And if you know so much about me please tell me what I have worked and what I worked this summer and what leagues I'm in?

So far you have got my name and that I am young. Shoot, since you are stalking me, I want you to tell me about my whole family and whether I'm Dutch, French, Native American. I think I've got alot of Native American in me personally but I don't know you tell me since you got me down pat and know everything I have been doing. Forget it. I will send you everything in a PM. haha

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I will send you everything in a PM.

No, you won't, Ben. As I said, it's a waste of time...for both of us. And as I've already also said, feel free to ignore me. Us old guys don't know anything that you don't already know anyway.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

First of all I swore I put "haha" and a smiley face at the end of that.

And if you know so much about me please tell me what I have worked and what I worked this summer and what leagues I'm in?

So far you have got my name and that I am young. Shoot, since you are stalking me, I want you to tell me about my whole family and whether I'm Dutch, French, Native American. I think I've got alot of Native American in me personally but I don't know you tell me since you got me down pat and know everything I have been doing. Forget it. I will send you everything in a PM. haha

You made a reference to Chuck Elias earlier in this thread. Not sure you are aware, but Chuck and JR know each other rather well. So if Chuck knows anything about you, I am sure JR would know something as well. Also if you work college like you claim, it is very easy for someone to find out something about different people in a very wide area. Living in Chicago I find it is amazing I will attend camps or other functions only to find someone knows someone that I know or knows the leagues they work.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

BTW, if you want to know what I work just ask Chuck Elias. We recently met. He seems like a great guy and I wish I could have sat and talked with him more.

Oooohhh...Chuck Elias...wow.

btw, when you were sitting down with him talking? He wasn't sitting.

oh yeah, and don't give him your cell phone number or he'll never leave you alone. Right Chuck?