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JoeTheRef Thu Jul 19, 2007 01:02pm
Jump Ball Administration Question
 
On many occassions during the jump ball administration to start the game, I've witnesed several referees, including some partners in games I'm in, tell the non-jumpers that they can't have a foot on the division line or straddle the division line. This is for both the non-jumpers lined up around the center circle and those that aren't. Do any of you tell players this or have you seen this before? If so, what rule are you or are these referees citing should somebody ask them why can't we stand there? Again, I'm talking about the division line. Just curious.

Adam Thu Jul 19, 2007 01:06pm
All I can come up with is 2-3, the 'war powers act.' :)

Jurassic Referee Thu Jul 19, 2007 01:24pm
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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
On many occassions during the jump ball administration to start the game, I've witnesed several referees, including some partners in games I'm in, tell the non-jumpers that they can't have a foot on the division line or straddle the division line. This is for both the non-jumpers lined up around the center circle and those that aren't. Do any of you tell players this or have you seen this before? <font color = red> If so, what rule are you or are these referees citing should somebody ask them why can't we stand there?</font> Again, I'm talking about the division line. Just curious.
NFHS rule 6-3-1---"each jumper shall have <b>both</b> feet within that half of the center restraining circle which is farther from his/her basket".

That restriction applies only to the jumpers. That's probably where the confusion lays. There is no rule stating that non-jumpers can't have a foot on or straddle the center line. Iow, it's legal.

JoeTheRef Thu Jul 19, 2007 01:28pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
NFHS rule 6-3-1---"each jumper shall have <b>both</b> feet within that half of the cenrer restraining circle which is farther from his/her basket".

Been a rule for a long, long time.
Understand that rule, but I'm specifically talking about the "non-jumpers" in the OP.

Jurassic Referee Thu Jul 19, 2007 01:31pm
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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
Understand that rule, but I'm specifically talking about the "non-jumpers" in the OP.
See the revision.....

Back In The Saddle Thu Jul 19, 2007 01:41pm
Perhaps, long ago, in the annals of the game, it was a rule. Perhaps, long ago, some ancient referee pulled this out of his tail and now these guys do it because it was done to them.

But there is nothing in the rules about whether non-jumpers can touch or straddle the division line.

Edit: Dangitt, JR. For an old guy, you're mighty quick on them keys. :)

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Jul 19, 2007 02:10pm
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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
Perhaps, long ago, in the annals of the game, it was a rule. Perhaps, long ago, some ancient referee pulled this out of his tail and now these guys do it because it was done to them.

But there is nothing in the rules about whether non-jumpers can touch or straddle the division line.

Edit: Dangitt, JR. For an old guy, you're mighty quick on them keys. :)

BITS:

I am one of those "ancient referees", :D , and I do not remember any such rule regarding the non-jumpers.

MTD, Sr.

Dan_ref Thu Jul 19, 2007 02:24pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
BITS:

I am one of those "ancient referees", :D , and I do not remember any such rule regarding the non-jumpers.

MTD, Sr.
Yeahbut you don't remember what color socks you put on this morning either.

Jurassic Referee Thu Jul 19, 2007 02:26pm
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Yeahbut you don't remember what color socks you put on this morning either.
Mine are flesh colored.

Wait a minute.......

Dan_ref Thu Jul 19, 2007 02:35pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Mine are flesh colored.
Which for you is an attractive mix of driftwood gray and old cow liver brown?

Jurassic Referee Thu Jul 19, 2007 02:55pm
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Which for you is an attractive mix of driftwood gray and old cow liver brown?
With spots.

Wait a minute again.....some of those spots are moving.:eek:

Dan_ref Thu Jul 19, 2007 03:35pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
With spots.

Wait a minute again.....some of those spots are moving.:eek:
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BLydic Thu Jul 19, 2007 03:36pm
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Which for you is an attractive mix of driftwood gray and old cow liver brown?
Do you work for Binney and Smith?

Dan_ref Thu Jul 19, 2007 03:40pm
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Originally Posted by BLydic
Do you work for Binney and Smith?
Latest colors in the 64 crayon box marketed for baby boomers and older


:D

Nevadaref Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:19pm
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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
On many occassions during the jump ball administration to start the game, I've witnesed several referees, including some partners in games I'm in, tell the non-jumpers that they can't have a foot on the division line or straddle the division line. This is for both the non-jumpers lined up around the center circle and those that aren't. Do any of you tell players this or have you seen this before? If so, what rule are you or are these referees citing should somebody ask them why can't we stand there? Again, I'm talking about the division line. Just curious.
In ten years, I've never had a partner tell the players this, but I have witnessed several partners instruct the nonjumpers WHO ARE NOT STANDING AROUND THE CIRCLE to "hold their spots/positions.":eek:

That is just as incorrect.

I've politely asked a few of these refs about this instruction following the game, and each has insisted that these players must be stationary for the jump ball. :(

Adam Fri Jul 20, 2007 07:31am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
In ten years, I've never had a partner tell the players this, but I have witnessed several partners instruct the nonjumpers WHO ARE NOT STANDING AROUND THE CIRCLE to "hold their spots/positions.":eek:

That is just as incorrect.

I've politely asked a few of these refs about this instruction following the game, and each has insisted that these players must be stationary for the jump ball. :(
Probably, and I'm just guessing here, the same guys who insist all non-shooters must stand behind the division line on technical foul free throws.

Jurassic Referee Fri Jul 20, 2007 07:45am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Probably, and I'm just guessing here, the same guys who insist all non-shooters must stand behind the division line on technical foul free throws.
Naw, they're the ones that mis-interpret the restrictions against moving <b>around</b> or <b>onto</b> the circle from the "ready" until the ball is tossed with legally being able to move directly back <b>off</b> the circle.

Mark Dexter Fri Jul 20, 2007 08:25pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
In ten years, I've never had a partner tell the players this, but I have witnessed several partners instruct the nonjumpers WHO ARE NOT STANDING AROUND THE CIRCLE to "hold their spots/positions.":eek:
I've always said this, with the understanding that it meant not to switch positions around the circle.

Now that I realize that it can be misinterpreted, I guess I'll have to reconsider.

BillyMac Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:14pm
Agree
 
From Mark Dexter: "Hold (your) spots. I've always said this, with the understanding that it meant not to switch positions around the circle. Now that I realize that it can be misinterpreted, I guess I'll have to reconsider."

I agree. Same understanding, same realization, and after 26 years of saying this, I also must now reconsider.

Splute Sun Jul 22, 2007 05:17pm
This is good reading. I have always thought this to be the case as well (cant move) since I heard the phrase so many times. After re-reading the rules I too see the confusion of the phrase.

Nor had it stuck in my head that the "Jumper" didnt have to face his basket; only has to be in that half of the circle. Nor did I consider that he didnt have to "jump" at the toss. And the "jumper" can touch the ball up to twice, but no more.... aaaahhhhh the little things. :)

Thanks for the clarity...


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