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HawkeyeCubP Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:17pm

Backcourt Violation?
 
A1, in frontcourt, throws ball to A2, who has one foot in front court, one foot in backcourt, jumps up with both feet leaving floor at same time and catches ball. Violation?

Jurassic Referee Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:23pm

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BktBallRef Wed Jul 04, 2007 07:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP
A1, in frontcourt, throws ball to A2, who has one foot in front court, one foot in backcourt, jumps up with both feet leaving floor at same time and catches ball. Violation?

A2 is in the BC until he is touching the FC and is no longer touching the BC.

Since he jumped with both feet, he did not meet this requirement.

It's similiar to a situation where he would have been OOB. He's not inbounds until he's touching inbounds and no longer touching OOB.

HawkeyeCubP Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:08am

Thank you.

Jurassic Referee Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:35pm

You're welcome.

Adam Thu Jul 05, 2007 01:19pm

What if the half-court line happens to be the the line between time zones, with the front court in Central Time and the backcourt in Mountain Time?

Nevadaref Thu Jul 05, 2007 01:46pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
What if the half-court line happens to be the the line between time zones, with the front court in Central Time and the backcourt in Mountain Time?

Then it becomes a time zone violation, instead of a time line violation. ;)

Mark Padgett Thu Jul 05, 2007 01:50pm

Do I need to remind everyone of the oft-mentioned situation where you are calling a game on the deck of an ocean liner and the ship crosses the International Date Line (and it is suddenly yesterday) while you are in the middle of a ten-second backcourt count? :eek:

FrankHtown Fri Jul 06, 2007 08:00am

Ok...I'm confused. If a player is straddling the division line, e.i. one foot in the back court and one foot in the front court, the player is still considered in the backcourt, correct?

Now, if we take the premise that you are where you are when you leave the floor (e.g. behind the three point line or catching the ball in the air going from backcourt to front court...etc) why is the player receiving the pass in this thread not considered having backcourt status?

Does his status change in mid air?

SmokeEater Fri Jul 06, 2007 08:35am

I think you need to re-read the responses to the original post Frank. Then you will be able to answer your own question.

bob jenkins Fri Jul 06, 2007 08:46am

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Originally Posted by FrankHtown
Ok...I'm confused. If a player is straddling the division line, e.i. one foot in the back court and one foot in the front court, the player is still considered in the backcourt, correct?

Now, if we take the premise that you are where you are when you leave the floor (e.g. behind the three point line or catching the ball in the air going from backcourt to front court...etc) why is the player receiving the pass in this thread not considered having backcourt status?

Does his status change in mid air?

All your assertions and conclusions are correct. The player is in the BC.

Maybe you misread the OP: "A1, in frontcourt, throws ball to A2"

FrankHtown Fri Jul 06, 2007 08:57am

OK...so I didn't do so well on my SAT reading comprehension :D

JugglingReferee Fri Jul 06, 2007 09:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP
A1, in frontcourt, throws ball to A2, who has one foot in front court, one foot in backcourt, jumps up with both feet leaving floor at same time and catches ball. Violation?

rainmaker says "You are where you were until you get where you're going." (Juulie - can I quote you on that?)

A2 was in the BC because one part of him/her was in the BC. When s/he jumps, s/he is still in the BC. At A2's touching, it is a violation.

JugglingReferee Fri Jul 06, 2007 09:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Do I need to remind everyone of the oft-mentioned situation where you are calling a game on the deck of an ocean liner and the ship crosses the International Date Line (and it is suddenly yesterday) while you are in the middle of a ten-second backcourt count? :eek:

Quiz time:

What is the southern most state?

What is the northern most state?

What is the westernly most state?

What is the easternly most state?

CoachP Fri Jul 06, 2007 09:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
Quiz time:

What is the southern most state?

What is the northern most state?

What is the westernly most state?

What is the easternly most state?

Off top of my head w/o cheating....
Florida (maybe Hawaii ??)
Alaska
Alaska
Maine

FrankHtown Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:03am

I tried calling the International Date Line, but it was $3.99/ minute, billed discreetly as IDL

M&M Guy Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
Quiz time:

What is the southern most state?

What is the northern most state?

What is the westernly most state?

What is the easternly most state?

I'm not cheating either (this time...), but I believe Hawaii is the furthest south, Alaska is both the furthest north and west, and Maine is the furthest east.

How'd I do?

bob jenkins Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy
I'm not cheating either (this time...), but I believe Hawaii is the furthest south, Alaska is both the furthest north and west, and Maine is the furthest east.

How'd I do?

Alaska is also the farthest East.

SamIAm Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
Quiz time:

What is the southern most state? Hawaii

What is the northern most state? Alaska

What is the westernly most state? Hawaii

What is the easternly most state? Maine

(Answers for USA states only) - FIBA does not apply.

M&M Guy Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Alaska is also the farthest East.

:confused:

Isn't it all east of the Int'l Date Line? Or was I asleep for part of my geography class?

Adam Fri Jul 06, 2007 01:18pm

Bob's right, there are a few islands west of the dateline, making them the furthest east.

M&M Guy Fri Jul 06, 2007 01:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Bob's right, there are a few islands west of the dateline, making them the furthest east.

Ok then, name those specific islands. :p

CoachP Fri Jul 06, 2007 01:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Ok then, name those specific islands. :p

If he is refering to the Aluetion (sp?) Islands, I do believe they still are not across the international timeline.

bob jenkins Fri Jul 06, 2007 01:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Ok then, name those specific islands. :p

I tried to name them, but it turns out someone else already had. ;)

The one I know (I think) is "Attu" -- it's a common crossword puzzle answer.

Adam Fri Jul 06, 2007 01:58pm

That would be Attu island, more specifically.
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF6/666.html

M&M Guy Fri Jul 06, 2007 02:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
"Attu"

Bless you.

I knew the entire chain was called the Aleutian Islands, but I agree with Coach P that I was also under the impression the entire chain was east of the Int'l Date Line.

M&M Guy Fri Jul 06, 2007 02:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
That would be Attu island, more specifically.
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF6/666.html

Thanks Snaqs.

That's what I get for agreeing with a coach. You think I would know better by now... :p :D

CoachP Fri Jul 06, 2007 02:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Bless you.

I knew the entire chain was called the Aleutian Islands, but I agree with Coach P that I was also under the impression the entire chain was west of the Int'l Date Line.

West of???

CoachP Fri Jul 06, 2007 02:47pm

Our warehouse has a 4 foot by 5 foot Hammond World map. According to that, the timeline is jagged and Attu Island is on the right side of that line.

M&M Guy Fri Jul 06, 2007 02:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP
West of???

Aw, crap.

I need a weekend. These long, two days without a day off can be a killer.

Thanks, coach - I'll work harder next time. ;)

Adam Fri Jul 06, 2007 03:17pm

The location with regard to the date line may determine what time it is on the westernmost islands in Alaska, but the fact that they lie west of the 180 degrees longitude makes them in the eastern hemisphere, and thus the furthest east of all points American. Since they don't jig jag the longitudinal coordinates....

CoachP Fri Jul 06, 2007 03:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
The location with regard to the date line may determine what time it is on the westernmost islands in Alaska, but the fact that they lie west of the 180 degrees longitude makes them in the eastern hemisphere, and thus the furthest east of all points American. Since they don't jig jag the longitudinal coordinates....

Thanks, I will sleep better last night.

JugglingReferee Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Alaska is also the farthest East.

That's my understanding, too.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Jul 07, 2007 06:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Then it becomes a time zone violation, instead of a time line violation. ;)


Nevada:

Wouldn't it be a "Twlight" zone violation?

MTD, Sr.

just another ref Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
What if the half-court line happens to be the the line between time zones, with the front court in Central Time and the backcourt in Mountain Time?


It's still a violation, we're just not sure what time it happened.


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