Originally Posted by Dan_ref

That's why I got rid of the damn thing.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And got a dog that's bigger?

Helluva plan.....:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

(He's still a big pussy btw...that's why I named him as I did)

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

God'll get you for that......

Originally Posted by deecee

sigh i always forget all comments here are taken in a vacuum.

who mentioned firing the guy? at least you bring it to the directors attention--he chooses whether to act on it -- lets say you are the only one he might not do anything except mention is passing or if there are 2 or 3 others who complain as well he might want to have a talk with said person.

however one thing i failed to remember was that officiating and moving up is more political than business probably 90% politcial if not 100%. i see many decisions made because someone doesnt want to offend or hurt the other persons feelings or because of their relationship rather than making a decision that would maximize efficiency and output.

so in that i should have thought this out and said _ who gives a frack as the "business" of officiating is in its bubble. I act professionally on a court and I expect all other officials and those involved in our process and game to act accordingly. coaches/players get T'd up when they dont and fellow officials, even the bosses, will be confronted when needed. So far I have only had 1 experience with a location and its admin and I do not work games for them or at that location. It was my choice and its one that I am fine with. and this was an easy $40 for about an hour of work 5 minutes away from where I live. I value my experience in any situation more than the monetary gain or loss associated with said experience. I will work a very competitive tourney for half the normal rate because the games will be much more enjoyable to me. After all part of being an official is having the best seats in the house.

Originally Posted by LarryS

Third...I have been ripped at a camp in front of others...it was however a local camp. The evaluator, who didn't know any of us or our experience, dressed us each down for missing rotations and being out of position. It was my second time as part of a 3-official crew...for one of my partners it was his 4th...the seasoned vet in the crew had a whopping 8 games under his belt. I stood there a took it...but discounted everything he said during our session. He worked a lot of D1...but he was an arse hole and had trouble relating to the campers (or so I was told by two others who "checked up" on us after he was finished). Why was he there...so the camp could advertise they had officials from X conference working as evaluators.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So an evaluator gets on you and that is a problem? Welcome to the real world of camps. That happens all the time.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So an evaluator gets on you and that is a problem? Welcome to the real world of camps. That happens all the time. It happened to me last summer and I got over it. He was one guy and he could not understand a mechanic I was using. I stood there, nodded my head and moved on. I did not rip him to other campers and worked my next game. BTW, all the evaluators were D1 officials at this camp.

Also what did the guy do in the OP anyway? He stepped in on a summer game where it is common for coaches and even fans to sometimes approach the camp directors about the officials or situations involving the situation. Not only are situations kind of common for some interaction with an evaluator and a coach, I have seen evaluators have very heated words with coaches. What did this guy do that we would have to complain about? I did not realize these games have the same protocol as a regular season game?

Peace

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Officiating is life - you learn things in officiating that you can use in your every day life with others and you learn things in life that you can apply to officiating. All of the things you learn will not be fun and joyful experiences - open your mind and find away to take something away from the experience that you can use.

Originally Posted by LarryS

Guess I should have been a little more detailed in that section...I thought the point would be apparent. I didn't say I had a problem with being ripped. It has happened before, and unless I die today, will probably happen again for something...can't please everyone. This person obviously didn't know any of us...which is normal at a camp. One would think, that if his goal was help us improve, that he would ask about us. Several times I have had evaluators come up to us before a game and ask how long each of us had been officiating and how much experience we had in 3-person work. Wouldn't you expect officials with virtually no experience to miss rotations.

My feeling was he wasn't concerned with teaching us what we needed to know at that stage of our development...he was just angry we were not doing things he thought were obvious. Nothing is obvious to a newbie. Teach them, don't berate them for being new.

I learned a lot at that camp...just not from him. I also admire his ability but do not respect him as an instructor and feel he really needs to work on his off the floor approach. It didn't help my opinion of him as an instructor to see him badger others publically...and I am sure he is losing sleep over that. :)

Originally Posted by Ch1town

I like really like how you worded that... is that your material?

Originally Posted by rockyroad

ANY time you go to a camp - whether you know the clinicians or not - you should realize that there will be different personalities there, and some of them will be calm, rational people (like our own beloved Jurassic :D ), and some will be yellers and screamers (like our own M&m Guy :mad: )...if you can't handle those types of people, don't go to a camp...