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canuckrefguy Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:42am

Is it just me - or did they also allow a defensive player to stand one space too high on the lane? :confused:

JugglingReferee Fri Jun 08, 2007 04:01am

So... there is:
  • a defensive player in the wrong spot
  • spots 1, 2, and 4 are taken on the L's side
  • a shooter that left the semi-circle early
  • a missed foul call
This must be Old School and one of his college games. ;)

Jurassic Referee Fri Jun 08, 2007 04:45am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
So... there is:
  • a defensive player in the wrong spot
  • spots 1, 2, and 4 are taken on the L's side
  • a shooter that left the semi-circle early
  • a missed foul call
This must be Old School and one of his college games. ;)

Good observation and conclusion.....:D

SamIAm Fri Jun 08, 2007 08:10am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Not being smart but what is an "X-Flagrant"?:confused:

I was using the X to signify the crossed arms. Just extra emphasis.

Jurassic Referee Fri Jun 08, 2007 09:19am

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Originally Posted by SamIAm
I was using the X to signify the crossed arms. Just extra emphasis.

That's what I was afraid of....:eek:

Wrong signal. The crossed arms is the signal for an <b>intentional</b> foul, not a flagrant foul. It's signal #34 on the NFHS chart. Intentional fouls and flagrant fouls are completely different animals, with completely different penalties. There is no official signal for a flagrant foul. A lot of officials do use the old baseball umpire heave-ho though.

JugglingReferee Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:52am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
A lot of officials do use the old baseball umpire heave-ho though.

I eject someone thusly:

http://eteamz.active.com/concordsocc...ithRedCard.jpg

rockyroad Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:03pm

Wow...that kid is a class 1 azz-hole...he has no business being on a basketball court. That was a deliberate act intended to hurt someone...hopefully the hurt kid's parents filed some kind of charges against the idiot. I have watched that thing 5 or 6 times now and I still can't believe he did that...

SamIAm Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
That's what I was afraid of....:eek:

Wrong signal. The crossed arms is the signal for an <b>intentional</b> foul, not a flagrant foul. It's signal #34 on the NFHS chart. Intentional fouls and flagrant fouls are completely different animals, with completely different penalties. There is no official signal for a flagrant foul. A lot of officials do use the old baseball umpire heave-ho though.

It seemed like a good idea at the time. :o

Scrapper1 Fri Jun 08, 2007 01:05pm

I still can't get it to play. Is there another clip posted with the same play?

mick Fri Jun 08, 2007 01:49pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
Wow...that kid is a class 1 azz-hole...he has no business being on a basketball court. That was a deliberate act intended to hurt someone...hopefully the hurt kid's parents filed some kind of charges against the idiot. I have watched that thing 5 or 6 times now and I still can't believe he did that...


Intentional block.
Nothing flagrant there.
Kid that fell probably wasn't even hurt unless he landed strangely on his left wrist.

BLydic Fri Jun 08, 2007 02:24pm

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Originally Posted by mick
Intentional block.
Nothing flagrant there.
Kid that fell probably wasn't even hurt unless he landed strangely on his left wrist.

So you're letting this kid continue to play?

You guys play some hardazz basketball U.P. there.

mick Fri Jun 08, 2007 02:38pm

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Originally Posted by BLydic
So you're letting this kid continue to play?

You guys play some hardazz basketball U.P. there.

If the blocker has been overly aggressive in other instances during the game, then surely, I'll take him out. But in that game shown, I didn't see anything to confirm that was the case.

The other kid probably hopped up and continued, as soon as he got patted on the head a couple times. [Didn't see that part of the game either. :) ]

Bad Zebra Fri Jun 08, 2007 03:09pm

Didn't really look flagrant to me...just the defender realizing too late that he bit off more than he could chew in stepping in front of the ballhandler. He realizes he wasn't going to slow down, so he just kinda ducked to absorb the imminent impact to try to protect his goofy azz.

rockyroad Fri Jun 08, 2007 03:21pm

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Originally Posted by mick
Intentional block.
Nothing flagrant there.
Kid that fell probably wasn't even hurt unless he landed strangely on his left wrist.

Are you serious, Mick...the kid turns his body and dives into the dribbler's legs...dribbler then lands on his neck/shoulder area...even if he does bounce right back up, that is absolutely a non-basketball play and gets that little turd tossed right then and there...

Jurassic Referee Fri Jun 08, 2007 03:24pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
Are you serious, Mick...the kid turns his body and dives into the dribbler's legs...dribbler then lands on his neck/shoulder area...even if he does bounce right back up, that is absolutely a non-basketball play and gets that little turd tossed right then and there...

That's the way I saw it too, fwiw.....


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