jump ball question

TommyH · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 14, 2001, 02:34pm

I would like to know if this is legal in Middle School girls ball in NC.

On the initial jump ball,one girl jumps and taps ball,the other don`t jump,she steps back in front of the intended reciever and catchs the tap.Is this legal?

Larks · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 14, 2001, 02:41pm

NFHS Rule 6-4-7

Neither Jumper Shall

a) touch the tossed ball before it reaches it's highest point
b) Leave the center restraining circle until the ball has been touched

c) Catch the jump ball

Of course this assumes they use NF rules in North Cack-a-Lackey

Larks - Rookie At Large

Rev.Ref63 · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 14, 2001, 02:59pm

I am surprised at how many players do not realize this is illegal. I was calling a JV game recently and the jumper A tipped the ball straight up and then caught it. This obviously is illegal. My question...how does this affect the AP? B gets the ball because of the violation. Where is the arrow set?

Larks · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 14, 2001, 03:04pm

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Originally posted by Rev.Ref63
I am surprised at how many players do not realize this is illegal. I was calling a JV game recently and the jumper A tipped the ball straight up and then caught it. This obviously is illegal. My question...how does this affect the AP? B gets the ball because of the violation. Where is the arrow set?

Without looking....I'm going out on a limb by saying the AP goes to the team that committed the violation.

Old Guys?

Larks....Your Veteran In Training.

Mark Dexter · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 14, 2001, 03:04pm

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Originally posted by Rev.Ref63
I am surprised at how many players do not realize this is illegal. I was calling a JV game recently and the jumper A tipped the ball straight up and then caught it. This obviously is illegal. My question...how does this affect the AP? B gets the ball because of the violation. Where is the arrow set?

In NFHS, B gets the ball and arrow - the reasoning is that A established possession simultaneously with the violation.

Larks · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 14, 2001, 03:15pm

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Originally posted by Mark Dexter

Quote:

Originally posted by Rev.Ref63
I am surprised at how many players do not realize this is illegal. I was calling a JV game recently and the jumper A tipped the ball straight up and then caught it. This obviously is illegal. My question...how does this affect the AP? B gets the ball because of the violation. Where is the arrow set?

In NFHS, B gets the ball and arrow - the reasoning is that A established possession simultaneously with the violation.

I read in 6-3-1 that Control may also be established by the results of a violation or foul . So, if B violates during the jump to start a game, its a double gain for A...they get the throw in PLUS the get the arrow? I would think that by A gaining the first possession to start the game b/c of a violation or foul by B, B would be entitled to the next AP. Hmmmmmmmm

This Rook needs more info on this one.

Larks

Jurassic Referee · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 14, 2001, 03:34pm

I read in 6-3-1 that Control may also be established by the results of a violation or foul . So, if B violates during the jump to start a game, its a double gain for A...they get the throw in PLUS the get the arrow? I would think that by A gaining the first possession to start the game b/c of a violation or foul by B, B would be entitled to the next AP. Hmmmmmmmm

This Rook needs more info on this one.

Larks [/B][/QUOTE]Rook,try casebook play 6-3-1c.That details it.Btw-North Cack-a-lacky?-Old guys?Do you have a tourniquet,bandaids(small,I presume),and a large jar of shoe polish?Might be wise to stock up.The "Ohio Express" is leaving shortly.

Larks · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 14, 2001, 04:09pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

I read in 6-3-1 that Control may also be established by the results of a violation or foul . So, if B violates during the jump to start a game, its a double gain for A...they get the throw in PLUS the get the arrow? I would think that by A gaining the first possession to start the game b/c of a violation or foul by B, B would be entitled to the next AP. Hmmmmmmmm

This Rook needs more info on this one.

Larks

Rook,try casebook play 6-3-1c.That details it.Btw-North Cack-a-lacky?-Old guys?Do you have a tourniquet,bandaids(small,I presume),and a large jar of shoe polish?Might be wise to stock up.The "Ohio Express" is leaving shortly. [/B][/QUOTE]

LOL...Thanks for the Ref. Ref. BTW, where to I get a ticket for the "Ohio Express". North Cask-a-Lackey here I come! Good Golf....uhh....Good Golf....and well, what else is there down there?

Hey, if it werent for us Young-uns, the old guys would have no one to pick on!

Larks...Rookie Engineer on the Ohio Express!

P.S. what do I need the shoe polish and med supplies for again?!?

BktBallRef · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 14, 2001, 04:25pm

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Originally posted by TommyH
I would like to know if this is legal in Middle School girls ball in NC.

On the initial jump ball,one girl jumps and taps ball,the other don`t jump,she steps back in front of the intended reciever and catchs the tap.Is this legal?

Tommy, a jumper, whether he/she jumps or not, is not allowed to gain possession of the ball until it hits the floor, another player, or the rim or backboard.

Was the play called correctly?

Where are you in NC?

Jurassic Referee · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 14, 2001, 04:41pm

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LOL...Thanks for the Ref. Ref. BTW, where to I get a ticket for the "Ohio Express". North Cask-a-Lackey here I come! Good Golf....uhh....Good Golf....and well, what else is there down there?

Hey, if it werent for us Young-uns, the old guys would have no one to pick on!

Larks...Rookie Engineer on the Ohio Express!

P.S. what do I need the shoe polish and med supplies for again?!? [/B][/QUOTE]Ah,Larks,my dear boy,I will be pleased to enlighten you.Showing up shortly on your doorstep will be Elvis the Hard-@ssRef from North Cack-a-Lackey and his band of merry "old guys"(including myself).At this time,you will be neutered,have your shoes puked on,and everyone will point at your pants.It's kind of a fun initiation procedure we've developed for cetrtain selected new officials.

Larks · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 14, 2001, 05:17pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

LOL...Thanks for the Ref. Ref. BTW, where to I get a ticket for the "Ohio Express". North Cask-a-Lackey here I come! Good Golf....uhh....Good Golf....and well, what else is there down there?

Hey, if it werent for us Young-uns, the old guys would have no one to pick on!

Larks...Rookie Engineer on the Ohio Express!

P.S. what do I need the shoe polish and med supplies for again?!? [/B][/QUOTE]Ah,Larks,my dear boy,I will be pleased to enlighten you.Showing up shortly on your doorstep will be Elvis the Hard-@ssRef from North Cack-a-Lackey and his band of merry "old guys"(including myself).At this time,you will be neutered,have your shoes puked on,and everyone will point at your pants.It's kind of a fun initiation procedure we've developed for cetrtain selected new officials. [/B][/QUOTE]

Man....and I just got those shoes! Make sure my wife doesnt find out I got neutered....she wants another kid.....

Whew, the 60's must have been good to you old guys! Either that or the H20 in the Cack-A-Lackeys should be avoided!

Signed, Larks....VIT (Veteran in-training)

P.S. Anyone have any galoshes and/or barf bags?

Jurassic Referee · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 14, 2001, 08:21pm

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Man....and I just got those shoes! Make sure my wife doesnt find out I got neutered....she wants another kid.....

Whew, the 60's must have been good to you old guys! Either that or the H20 in the Cack-A-Lackeys should be avoided!

Signed, Larks....VIT (Veteran in-training)

P.S. Anyone have any galoshes and/or barf bags? [/B][/QUOTE]Ah,I'm starting to see potential in you,young 'un.Please promise me that when you grow up,you won't become a "Rules Interpreter and Instructional Chairman' in Ohio.You could be asked to join our group.

TommyH · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 14, 2001, 08:55pm

well,the kids have did it every game so far and got possession of the ball too.The other player touches the ball,our girl backs up and catches the tip.

we are in the Rocky River Middle School Athletic Con.
near Charlotte,NC

ChuckElias · #14 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 15, 2001, 01:09pm

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Originally posted by TommyH
The other player touches the ball,our girl backs up and catches the tip.

This is illegal, as has been pointed out. But if, instead of catching it, she were to bat it to the floor, and then hold it, I think that would be legal. Any objections to this?

Of course, this assumes that the other jumper taps it forward and not to a player behind her.

Chuck

Rev.Ref63 · #15 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 15, 2001, 01:28pm

This is illegal, as has been pointed out. But if, instead of catching it, she were to bat it to the floor, and then hold it, I think that would be legal. Any objections to this?
Chuck [/B][/QUOTE]

You are correct. 6.4.7 States, "The jump ball and these restrictions end when the touched ball contacts one of the eight non-jumpers, the floor, a basket or backboard."

As long as she does not touch the ball more than twice or leave the restraining circle, she may bat the ball to the floor and get it.

[Edited by Rev.Ref63 on Dec 15th, 2001 at 12:30 PM]