Self bat

[Scrapper1]

Hi Wayne. Welcome to the forum!

Originally Posted by WayneG

Just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. IMO I would consider this an attempted pass by the player to himself, which would be a violation.

Where is "passing to yourself" listed as a violation? Violations are generally listed in Rule 9, but I don't think you'll find it in there. One reason is that, as BktBallRef has pointed out, a pass is defined as one player throwing or batting the ball to another player. By definition, you can't pass to yourself.

But if he only took 2 steps and then jumped off his second step, then no violation has occured because a player is allowed to take two legal steps when the dribble has finished.

Again, you're going to have to point that rule out to me. Generally, once a pivot has been established, only the non-pivot foot can be used to take a step. The pivot foot can be lifted, but not returned to the floor before the ball is released on a shot or pass.

When the player made an upward motion to tap the ball (he must have to for it tp go over the defenders head), I think this legally ended his dribble.

Are you saying that the ball has to come to rest in the player's hand when the ball is batted upward? I would probably disagree with that. Why does an upward motion end the dribble?

Just some stuff to think about.