Throw in violation

[Bchill24]

On a designated spot throw-in. Is the travel signal the correct mechanic?

[BktBallRef]

No, no, no, no!

It's not traveling. Don't signal traveling. It's a spot violation. Just point to the spot.

[bigwhistle]

Bchill,

Are you talking about the situation where a player moves more than 3 feet from the designated spot during a throw-in?

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by bigwhistle
Bchill,

Are you talking about the situation where a player moves more than 3 feet from the designated spot during a throw-in?

Another good time to verbalize.

[Mike Burns]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Another good time to verbalize.

To verbalize further. The designated spot is bounded by and area 3 feet wide parallel to the boundary line, it is not bounded by depth. Except the wall or other immovable object. That is to say, that a player may move more than 3 feet as long as it is perpendicular to the boundary line.

Anyway, if a player violates, it is still not traveling. It is a throw-in violation.

Mike

[bossref]

Guys
I had this discussion years ago and won a bet too.
I had to write to NASO for proof(Feb 1986).
I still have the letter!
Their response was that it was a "common practice" to
show the travelling signal (so as to let everyone know
that a violation had occurred).
However, they did note that the 1985-86 mechanics manual
says to NOT use the travelling signal.
Stop the clock (Open Palm)and point to the spot
while verbalizing the color of team entitled to the ball
and point the direction.
I also teach to move your hand side to side (3 feet)
very similar to a 3 seconds violation motion, just
after you point to the spot.
Big problem is coaches, television commentators, and too
many refs think that it is travelling!
You can only travel if you have a PIVOT FOOT!
Since a thrower-in may jump or even move backwards,
we all know that a pivot foot does not exist.

[Mark Dexter]

Just a note, throw-in depth is as deep as you can go back while on the floor - a player can't climb up into the stands and throw in the ball.

[bigwhistle]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike Burns
That is to say, that a player may move more than 3 feet as long as it is perpendicular to the boundary line.

How many points is "perpendicular" worth in scrabble, especially if you can get on a triple word square?

[Mark Dexter]

Ignoring the fact that you have less than a snowball's chance in hell of getting a situation like this, using all of your letters to form "PERPENDICULAR" on any of the outer edges of the Scrabble board, and having all the letters in ideal positions, you could get a maximum of 266 points.

Of course, if all the letters were in the right place, you could form "PERPENDICULAR" with only four tiles, earning as few as 24 points for a great Scrabble word.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by bossref

You can only travel if you have a PIVOT FOOT!

That's not true.

A player who gains possession while on the floor can travel without establishing a pivot foot.

A player who jump stops and, by rule, can't pivot, can travel.

A player who has not established a pivot foot, travels when he jumps and returns to the floor with the ball.

[bossref]

Think about this:
If a player is standing, and you're going to
call a travelling violation on him, I bet that your decision will be concerned with a foot that IS,
WAS, or should be a pivot foot.
Think about it!
But you are correct about a player on the floor,
although he can actually have a "pivot point"
(his butt). This was something I was taught a hundred
years ago, but have never actually seen a pivot butt.
How do you guys call it when a player secures a rebound while in the air and then falls down directly with the
ball in his possession? Travel or no-call?

[BktBallRef]

Barry, you made the statement "You can only travel if you have a PIVOT FOOT!" That's simply not true. I simply pointed it out. No offense meant.

Quoted by bossref
How do you guys call it when a player secures a rebound while in the air and then falls down directly with the
ball in his possession? Travel or no-call?

Obviously it's traveling. And again, no pivot foot has to be established for this to happen.

[bossref]

Absolutely no offense taken.
As a new poster, I'm getting used to
what to say and how to phrase it.
I can adjust my game to changes in tempo.
I can adjust my style to differing levels of play.
I'm adjusting to you guys. It's fun!
BTW is officiating a cause of insomnia?

[JeffRef]

A1 is about to shoot 2 free throws. He is near the back of the circle when he receives the ball for his first throw. He steps up to the line to get ready...TWEET! Travelling, Violation. (I kid you not!)

I've been involved in basketball most of my 31 year life as a player, coach, and referee. Does anyone a little older know of this rule ever being in place? Where did he come up with this call?

[Mike Burns]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bigwhistle

Originally posted by Mike Burns
That is to say, that a player may move more than 3 feet as long as it is perpendicular to the boundary line.

How many points is "perpendicular" worth in scrabble, especially if you can get on a triple word square?

Thank God for spell check.