oden dunks, pulling himself up
 

can someone explain the rule on hanging on the rim? is that now legal? used to be you could only hang if in danger with other players below. now? everytime oden dunks he pulls himself up...legal?

The rule is the same.

APPENDIX III / OFFICIATING GUIDELINES BR-181

Section 3. Hanging on the Ring

Players should not be permitted to hang on the basket ring in an
excessive, emphatic manner during dunks when there is no possibility of a
resulting injury occurring. The intent of the rule does not permit a player
to hold the ring and lift his or her body or legs, or in general, hang on the
ring for emphasis. This is especially true for a player who dunks the ball
on a breakaway or when no defender is nearby. Injuries, sometimes serious,
can occur as a result of hanging on the ring. Game delays also result when
damaged equipment must be fixed or replaced. When there is no obvious
injury circumstance to be avoided by hanging on the ring, doing so is an

indirect technical foul and shall be called.

The officials, for whatever reason, have been allowing him to do it all tournament. In an earlier game (Sweet 16 or 2nd round, can't remember), he pulled himself up AND slapped the the backboard with two hands. No call.

Curious.

NCAA 12-146-36b
An All-American may pull up or hang on the rim in the National Championship game.

I think the more important thing is him hitting the ball away from the inbounder after a made basket because this effects the fast break.

The coaches tell the coordinators to tell the referees to not enforce it. Coaches also like to run onto the court whenever they want too.

I know this is off-topic, but GREG ODEN PLEASE COME BACK TO COLUMBUS FOR ANOTHER YEAR!!

Um, he did that tonight, too!

There is an unwritten rule that says if you want to continue to be on the floor working this level of ball, you call the game, not you call the rules. I thought the referee's did an outstanding job, it was a pleasure to see a different crew, and even if they would have called the T for hanging on the rim, it would not have chanced the outcome. So IMO, the officials did a good job of not calling it.

One more thing, Oden is a big boy, maybe you need to actually see him in person to appreciate his size. You get all that motion going in one direction, you can't just stop in mid-flight. I waiting to see what the referee might call when one of those dunks kick a defender in the face. I wonder if they would have the balls to call it. I would give Oden the power dunk but he ain't slapping the ball away so the opponents can't inbound real quick. That will be a easy delay of game call.

There's also another unwritten rule that says if you "T" him once, you probably won't see it again in that game or any other game that Mr. Oden may see you at. Just like if you give him a delay of warning the first time he knocks the ball away after the made basket, he probably won't be doing it again.

O/S when I read you I think of these two quotes from "A Few Good Men"... "Thank you for playing "Should we or should we not listen to the advice of the galactically stupid!" & "You're such a idiot (edited from coward), I can't believe they let you wear a uniform."

I agree with ONLY this part of your statement!

Where may I find that written?

I gotta remember this, so on that rare occasion when I actually miss or blow a call I can just tell the coach - "I'm calling the game, not the rules!" :confused:

I really don't think you're this stupid, but I'm steadily losing hope.

Never underestimate Old School. Just when you think that he can't post anything stoopider, he'll go right ahead and prove you wrong.

I am going to say this and it will be unpopular.

I think calling this would be the utmost of being technical. For one I cannot believe that this was not addressed either in pre-game with the officials or in some kind of conference during the tournament. I think Oden is so strong that his momentum is what allowed him swing the way he does. He has dunked like this all year and no one has deemed it a T. If it was deemed that way, it would have been called. Maybe the rules committee will give an interpretation that makes this illegal, but we cannot look at this through the eyes of HS officials. This was not a HS game. Things are different at the college level whether we like it or not. I work a lot of college baseball and what is expected at the college level does not translate to HS ball. And many of the rules are exactly the same. Philosophies are quite different.

Peace

I'm okay with the swinging due to momentum. I'm even okay with the swinging, then hang and turn to see what's behind or below him. BUT, if he pulls up and then slap the backboard, that's an easy one for me.

Good post. I completely understand why it was not called, but as an official I would like to see it called at the upper levels to show players that it is illegal. I was the same with Noah throwing 2 hands at an official after a foul call. I get why it wasn't called in that game, I just wish for the betterment of basketball that it was.

It is obvious that no one working any of the games agrees with your point of view on this. It was not called for a reason. I guarantee you this was addressed over the entire season and tournament. He did it in just about every game. I know I cannot remember a single game I saw him play where this very same motion did not take place. I even saw 3 games live in the United Center. So you can say this is what happen, the reality is they did not agree with your assessment, it was not called. ;)

Peace

And that's why they're there and I'm here. All I can say is IF, in my game, and yes it's a HS game, the kid does a pull-up, then commences to slap the backboard after that, he's probably going to get whacked.

You cannot look towards what the NCAA does as an example of what happens at other levels. If players and coaches do, they are playing a dumb game. Every experience that I have with working college or being around officials that work higher level college, they do not officiate with "HS eyes." I belong to an association where there are many D1 and Big Ten Officials on the football side. It is clear their philosophies are not in the same lexicon of what we do at the HS level. We even butt heads with many college officials because they want to bring college philosophies down to the HS game. I am only saying that there is a reality here. I am not saying this would not be called or should not be called at the HS level. I am saying that someone has looked at this and decided it has not passed the smell test.

Peace

That is why you get paid the big bucks. ;)

Peace

Yeah, that's why I do this.. all that cash! :D I drive my wife crazy when she hears me say I would do it for free.

Now AAU & wreck ball, I do for the $$$ to pay for the camps that help me to become better in the games that I would do for free. Go figure. :rolleyes:

I agree with this completely, including that JRut's post was was very good.

I agree with JoeTheRef on his point. Doing a chin-up & slapping the backboard should be automatic. I am from the Indy area, and Oden did this in HS too...and no one would call it here either! It's hard to blow the whistle when your jaw is on the floor. :eek:

Needless to say, I never got the chance to call it. I was asked 4 times to do his games but had contracts for other games. :(

Not only that...on one occassion he pulled up so far that his FOOT hit the backboard. There is NO chance that was from momentum or for safety. What he was doing was a complete and clear violation of the rules...and a rule that I've seen called against many others.