NCAAA Final

[All_Heart]

Some things I noticed from the 1st half.

19:35 Oden & Horford get locked up in paint and continue all the way up the court. I'm sure the crew was probably thinking "Oh great here we go"

13:17 Great call on red player pushing white player under the basket. It was during a throw-in.

12:00 Fast transition play where red player "reaches" across body of white player but looks like zero contact and especially no disadvantage.

3:09 Oden knocks the ball away after he dunks the ball. Should have been a delay of game warning!

23.0 -> 12.3 seconds! This is the time that ran off the clock when the trail runs ahead of the ball handler and doesn't even look at him for 5 seconds (0:20 -> 0:15). What if he accidently double dribbles or something else happens (like a ten second back court violation) It serves NO purpose to run ahead of the play. I've ssen this a couple of times during the tournament.

Half Time Skit: "Hand" me the trash can so that I can puke

[TRef21]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

Some things I noticed from the 1st half.

19:35 Oden & Horford get locked up in paint and continue all the way up the court. I'm sure the crew was probably thinking "Oh great here we go"

13:17 Great call on red player pushing white player under the basket. It was during a throw-in.

12:00 Fast transition play where red player "reaches" across body of white player but looks like zero contact and especially no disadvantage.

3:09 Oden knocks the ball away after he dunks the ball. Should have been a delay of game warning!

23.0 -> 12.3 seconds! This is the time that ran off the clock when the trail runs ahead of the ball handler and doesn't even look at him for 5 seconds (0:20 -> 0:15). What if he accidently double dribbles or something else happens (like a ten second back court violation) It serves NO purpose to run ahead of the play. I've ssen this a couple of times during the tournament.

Half Time Skit: "Hand" me the trash can so that I can puke

What a boring game... Hope the last 5 mins are better

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by TRef21

What a boring game... Hope the last 5 mins are better

It was only as good as your spelling.

[All_Heart]

2nd Half Notes:

First of all I thought overall the officials did a great job! Anything that I mention are just small observations.

17:22
Great call by Lead. I was surprised that the C did not call this.

16:27
Oden keeps pulling himself up on the rim and slapping the backcoard. This tells me to NOT call this in my college games because if they are not calling it in the Final Four or the Championship game then it must not want to be called.

15:31
Oden hits the ball AGAIN after a made basket. This NEEDS to be called for at least a warning!

14:13
Good call by C, the play opens up to him and he calls it even though it is across the paint.

12:10
Good call by Hess in C.

10:30
C drops down when the play comes to him instead of rotating up. I've noticed this a number of times in the tournament. Is this taught in some areas? I have always gone to the high side when the ball swings around.

5:15
Was the player OOB or was the timeout not granted? If he was not OOB then it should have been Florida's ball because he was not airborne when requesting a timeout.

2:31
Great call, possibly an intentional foul with the red player tripping the white player when he was shooting. (The red player was on the ground.)

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

5:15
Was the player OOB or was the timeout not granted? If he was not OOB then it should have been Florida's ball because he was not airborne when requesting a timeout.

He landed OOB.

[Indy_Ref]

When did calling across the lane from L or C become "en vogue"? Countless times this happened tonight...and in the whole men's tournament. It has left me baffled. If I make these calls @ camp, I'm getting my a$$ chewed...probably by the same guys who are making these calls in their tournament games!

When did the goal become: "Get 100% right not only in YOUR primary, but your partner's also."

...when it used to be: "Get 100% right in your primary, and only reach out when absolutely necessary!"

After watching the tournament, I'm pretty convinced the L is supposed to call the WHOLE lane. In fact, it's the main reason we had a blarge in the semi-final game the other night.

[deecee]

how about the celebration after the game -- defintley unsportmanlike -- i think each player should have recevied a T and the gators should have lost due to forfeit. i cannot believe the officials let that slide.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by Indy_Ref

When did calling across the lane from L or C become "en vogue"? Countless times this happened tonight...and in the whole men's tournament. It has left me baffled. If I make these calls @ camp, I'm getting my a$$ chewed...probably by the same guys who are making these calls in their tournament games!

When did the goal become: "Get 100% right not only in YOUR primary, but your partner's also."

...when it used to be: "Get 100% right in your primary, and only reach out when absolutely necessary!"

After watching the tournament, I'm pretty convinced the L is supposed to call the WHOLE lane. In fact, it's the main reason we had a blarge in the semi-final game the other night.

I don't agree with the Lead calling across the paint all the time. If you watch the NBA officials they hardly ever call across the paint because they are already over there.

I do agree with C making a call that he/she has the best look at. The play were the player with the ball curls towards C and away from Lead or Trail creates an alley that usually only the C can see. If C doesn't make this call then Lead or Trail are usually guessing on a reach.

Officiating is all about the angles that we can obtain in order to see and judge the plays correctly.

I was watching the Phoenix & Dallas game on Sunday and there was a rebounding play outside the paint on the block closest to the bench. The trail official that was opposite the table made the foul call because he was the only on that was not straight lined and guessing on the play. He was able to look right through the players and could determine if the push in the back warranted a foul. There are times like these, that if I was C, I would say "thanks partner" instead of "stay in your primary" like some would say.

My 2 cents

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

23.0 -> 12.3 seconds! This is the time that ran off the clock when the trail runs ahead of the ball handler and doesn't even look at him for 5 seconds (0:20 -> 0:15). What if he accidently double dribbles or something else happens (like a ten second back court violation) It serves NO purpose to run ahead of the play. I've seen this a couple of times during the tournament.

Nobody has commented on this, did anyone else see this? I am not saying that in this particular play that a 10 second call should have been called, although by rule it could have been called, BUT what I don't think is a good idea is to run ahead of the ball handler ESPECIALLY if he's not looking over his shoulder officiating him.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

Nobody has commented on this, did anyone else see this? I am not saying that in this particular play that a 10 second call should have been called, although by rule it could have been called, BUT what I don't think is a good idea is to run ahead of the ball handler ESPECIALLY if he's not looking over his shoulder officiating him.

Yes, I saw it. I see a lot of DI officials do this. My thing is it had no bearing on the outcome of the game, but from a mechanic standpoint, it's bad and something I clearly will not do if given the opportunity. There is a reason they call it the Trail.

In the overall sceme of things, you got a DI player bringing the ball up the court with no pressure on him. Let me get on up the court and get in position for where I need to be. I can go with the shot clock to tell when he needs to be in the frontcourt. What are the changes that a DI player double dribbles, carry the ball from the BC to the FC with no pressure on him? Very very slim. I think it's wrong but here's the deal, he's working the game and you and me is watching the game. Knowing how hard it is to get to this level, I'm sure he has paid his dues and has earn the right to work the game the way he's feels the most comfortable. IOW, it's his game to screw-up. Everything worked out though.

I don't understand why you guys are so upset with the officiating of this game. This was a great game to watch. The players from both teams where so good, they overcame any shortcomings from the officials. Oden got to play, didn't have to sit out because of foul trouble which probably hurt Ohio State more then it helped them. They're are use to him being on the bench in the 1st half and having to step up to carry the load. Doesn't matter who referee'd that game, the results where going to be the same. Florida State came to play. They deserved to be champions, they played like champions, unselfish. Rarely do we see a team this good and that dominate.