Violation reporting

[Bchill24]

How many signals are giving when reporting a violation?

[Danvrapp]

1. Count the bucket (if necessary)
2. Color
3. Number
4. Foul (Hit, block, PC.....)
5. Resulting Action (Shots, spot of ball, etc...)

edit Dummy me. After seeing Rockyroad's response below, I realize I have commented on actions for a foul, not a violation.

[Edited by Danvrapp on Dec 4th, 2001 at 02:57 PM]

[rockyroad]

When reporting a violation, there should be 4 arm motions...hand up on whistle (open hand), signal violation (travel, double dribble, etc), point new direction, and point at spot for throw-in...the violation, color, and spot are also verbalized...

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by rockyroad
When reporting a violation, there should be 4 arm motions...hand up on whistle (open hand), signal violation (travel, double dribble, etc), point new direction, and point at spot for throw-in...the violation, color, and spot are also verbalized...

When I call traveling, double dribble, palming, etc. I never verbalize.

[MattRef]

BktBallRef, I am just curious; is there a particular reason why you do not verbalize the call or is that just personal preference? I personally verbalize the call, simply because I have been reffing Jr. High games and I have received some very stupid looks from players when they don't seem to understand which direction they are going. I'm not trying to be snotty, just working on how I do things. Thanks!
Matt

[paulis]

I also verbalize but in the officials manual there is no requirement that a violation be verbalized (p. 42)

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by MattRef
BktBallRef, I am just curious; is there a particular reason why you do not verbalize the call or is that just personal preference? I personally verbalize the call, simply because I have been reffing Jr. High games and I have received some very stupid looks from players when they don't seem to understand which direction they are going. I'm not trying to be snotty, just working on how I do things. Thanks!
Matt

As paulis stated, there's no requirement to verbalize, so why do it. Sometimes when officiating, the more you say, the more trouble you can get into.

Off the top of my head, the only violations that I ever verbalize are 3 seconds and a FT lane violation. Since these violations are usually by a player without the ball, I usually verbalize the violation, color, and number of the player who violated.

Think about it. If you call traveling, double dribble, palming, or OOB, everyone knows that it was the player with the ball that violated. Also, these signals are pretty common. I believe even the normal, clueless fan knows what the travel signal is.

Soumthing else that I don't do? I don't verbalize what the foul is when I report. Why? Again, the manual doesn't require it and the more you say, the more trouble you can get into. I verbalize color, number, signal the foul, and then verbalize the shots, if we're shooting. But to say "Push" or "Hold" is just asking for a coach to make a comment. Signal and get outta there.

JMHO

[bigwhistle]

Tony,

I agree with your thoughts on verbalization. However, be careful in those instances where you do tell who the violation was on, i.e. 3 seconds or lane violations. You may have an overzealous scorer who was drafted for the night that does not really understand the game. This well-meaning person may record a foul in the book.

Just a thought.

[BktBallRef]

It's a thought but I've never had that happen. I'm not in the reporting area and I don't face the table.

[rainmaker]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BktBallRef
Think about it. If you call traveling, double dribble, palming, or OOB, everyone knows that it was the player with the ball that violated. [/QUOTE}

Tony (big T)
I've had coaches ask "Which number?" after I signalled travelling. My guess is they aren't really paying any attention to the game, or they're just trying to "work" the ref. I respond, "The one that had the ball..." in a sort of "huh?" tone of voice.

[dblref]

rainmaker -- I like your reply -- almost a Daveism(sp??)

[BktBallRef]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rainmaker

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Think about it. If you call traveling, double dribble, palming, or OOB, everyone knows that it was the player with the ball that violated. [/QUOTE}

Tony (big T)
I've had coaches ask "Which number?" after I signalled travelling. My guess is they aren't really paying any attention to the game, or they're just trying to "work" the ref. I respond, "The one that had the ball..." in a sort of "huh?" tone of voice.

Juulie-

Ever administer a FT, yell "2!", signal with 2 fingers and then have some knucklehead ask, "How many ref?"

You just can't win!

Tony

[Richard Ogg]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Ever administer a FT, yell "2!", signal with 2 fingers and then have some knucklehead ask, "How many ref?"

You just can't win!

Tony

Every game! I do not answer verbally, because that could distract the shooter. I simple signal with my fingers low, near my waist, out of the shooter's view.


As for verbalizing on violations, we're taught to do so here, thus it is expected. We also keep it short, using "walk" as a nice, crisp word, instead of "traveling" which will come out who knows how.

My personal signal when a player barely steps on a side or end line is:

1. Open hand up with whistle
2. Point to the line and say loudly "line"
3. Point the wrong way and say the color

I find that the word "line" answers the guaranteed question "What'd they do?" and works well, plus makes it obvious where the inbound will be. The extra, not-by-the-book action consumes ~0.3 seconds. I expect an evaluator will question it at some point but for now it is one of my personal idiosyncrasies that I believe adds to the game.

[Mark Dexter]

Speaking of pointing the wrong way, how do you guys remember what way to point? It seems that at least 3-4 times per game I call out "BLUE!" and point the way white is going.

[Danvrapp]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Speaking of pointing the wrong way, how do you guys remember what way to point? It seems that at least 3-4 times per game I call out "BLUE!" and point the way white is going.

Good. That just means you're normal