I see what you're saying - I do believe it IS an important distinction - normally. The ref was early on the whistle because he thought the ball was OOB earlier - whether or not this is this was correct should not matter on replay. It cannot be reviewed. The point at which the play should be stopped is when the official signaled/whistled it to be stopped. If he made a mistake, so be it. Just because there was a timing error does not mean that whistles do not matter.

Again, had the play been a ref whistling that a ball went OOB at 6.0 seconds, and it really went OOB at 3.0 seconds - well tough luck, the ref whistled it dead at 6.0 seconds. That's when the clock should stop - in general, time after that is a dead ball. No replay that shows differently should matter. The fact that the clock never started or there was a timing error does not affect the call on the court. The officials corrected the clock after the play is over - the play was over when he whistled it dead when it right after it first bounced and before it was truly OOB.

That being said, like I said in the last post, the officials handled it great in this case, considering there was a timing error. They could not tell when the whistle was (from the youtube clip, before the signal) - so they went with the signal/when the ball was OOB (which was roughly the same point).

I am constantly surprised how often officials get it correct within the last minute of a game on plays with very little time to work - I know working much lower-pressure games (not even high school or junior high!) that I would have probably screwed it up. What is even more impressive is that fans/announcers/former-players/players/coaches/refs watching the game have the benefit of multiple replays, multiple angles, and tons of extra time, and still somehow come up with the incorrect call.

Where may I read that this is a true statement and not just conjecture?

So you're thinking the whistle blew when trail pointed at the ball as it bounced on the floor?

Ah, I thought we'd decided that the trail was pointing at the player to indicate a tip. I thought the whistle came as the ball was past the plane of the oob, but hadn't yet touched the table person.

Hmmm, where's that video clip again? I can't find it!!

You can't! Read my post. You're right.

Wildcatter,

It is clear to me you are assuming there was an IW when there clearly was not. The official showed a tip to indicate that the ball was touched so the ball would be put out of bounds near the sideline and not the end line. Sorry, I am with JR; I think most of your post is conjecture.

Peace

According to ncaa rules a monitor may be used to make

As Dexter pointed out this doesn't say a TIMER'S error.

It says a TIMING error.

So yeah, we know the answer.

...the link below is a very sad justification of the 1.1 and obviously not how the officials calculated it - :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpV95Z51hlA

I think this is the link you wanted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiI-4_0zOiE

...and in looking at it again, it does seem less definitive to me when the body motion was indicating OOBs - still a worthwhile discussion, imo. I am surprised that so many believe the official whistling/signaling OOB could be discounted when reviewing the play but would certainly trust their judment on the floor. I do think the discussion is valid.

Nope - thanks for the reference - I'm very surprised that time would be put back on the clock!

I want to find the creator's rulebook and apply it for all of my games!