Just wondering what the most technical fouls you guys and gals have had in your games. Tonight, I had 3 games and four technicals, one of them flagrant, resulting in 2 ejections and one forfeit.

(Both games are college intramurals)

Game 1: Girl wearing jewelery on the court - automatic T in our league.

Game 2: B1 gets called for a block on a made shooting foul. Takes the ball, slams it down, I call a T. We now have 1 shot for A1, 2 points for A (league rules), and A ball.

As I report the foul, B1 (who sat himself out of the game) shouts (loud enough for the gym to hear) "****!" - Technical #2 - he's out of the game and out of the court.

Few plays later, I'm under A's basket. B2 takes a shot, misses, is barely touched, and falls to the floor - a "no call" (whether they exist or not). His response: "**** you, ref!" - TWEET! - Flagrant Technical - he's out of the game.

We go a few more plays, and A calls timeout. B2 comes back up to the court. We hold up play to get him to leave when the supervisor waves us over and lets us know that two ejections results in a forfeit - game over.

Of course, I got all the questions: "What did he say?" - "Ask him!" "Come on, we're all in college, we're all mature (okaaaaay), and we can handle profanity." - "I don't take that in my games."

The best, B3 calmly comes up to me and asks if I knew when calling the flagrant T that two ejections was a forfeit (I didn't). He then asked if I would have just had called the kid over and warned him. My response - (something like) 'I make the calls regardless of the situation, and what he did definately deserved a technical.'

Thanks for once again letting me vent!!

Not even close to a record.

I still work rec league ball from time to time.

One of my personal favourites was the coach several years ago who had been warned on several occasions to sit down and keep it shut.

There is less that 1 minute to go, his team is up by 2 and his star player gets his fifth foul with a charge (my partner called it, but from where I was it was a good one). The coach goes balastic that "we" have fouled his player out. The F word flies along with a few other nicities.

I'm the trail and standing in front of his bench, so I immediately toss him. His reaction, and I quote: "You can't toss me, I've only got one T, you have to get 2 before you are ejected."

So he promptly gets his second from me, the other team hits 3 out of the 4 free throws and then scores a 3 after being given possession.

The other team ended up winning by 5. poetic justice :)

Question?
 

Duane, assuming you were reffing FIBA rules...Upon tossing the coach you are calling a "Disqualifying" foul (not a "T") which results in an ejection and 2 plus the ball. The coach is now now longer part of the contest. You're second foul ("T")is not possible and therefore you only shoot 2 shots and give possession to Team B. Why did they shoot 4 shots?

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originally posted by Mark Dexter

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Just wondering what the most technical fouls you guys and gals have had in your games

First of all, I think Billy Crystal holds the record.

Billy: Tweet! "You're outta here, Kareem!"

Kareem: "What?!?! You can't throw me out! This is my farewell game!!"

Billy: "Well, then let me be the first to say. . .farewell!"

:D

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JeffRef

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Upon tossing the coach you are calling a "Disqualifying" foul (not a "T"). The coach is now now longer part of the contest. You're second foul ("T")is not possible

I don't know FIBA rules, but you can certainly T a coach who has already been ejected. I wouldn't like to do it, and would only do it in extreme circumstance, but it's possible. Teddy Valentine did it, but he caught a world of trouble for it. If a coach receives his second T (which results in ejection), he is no longer part of the contest. But if he curses you out loud enough for the whole gym to hear before you can get him to leave, then I think you could justifiably T him again.

Is this not acceptable in FIBA?

Chuck

I do not know about most technical fouls, but I have on situation that sticks out for me:

A number of years ago in the Regionals of the Ohio Games (Olympics style state games) in a boys 16U game: Team A is getting their clocks cleaned when A1 steals the ball. A2 runs down the court ahead of him and (I am not lying) gets down on his hands and knees and lets A1 jump off his back and then A1 dunks the ball. I immediately whistled the ball dead and T'ed A1 and A2 for violating NFHS R10-S3-A8e, and I T'ed A1 for violating NFHS R10-S3-A5. The second T on A1 was for dunking a dead ball and the false multiple T's were for climbing or or lifting a teammate to secure a greater height. Three T's for the price of one, it does not get any better than that.

I'm sorry, I see a blatantly illegal act that requires a "T," But I sincerely hope you are joking when you say you handed out 3 Ts for this - especially the one for dunking a dead ball. This technical is for the unsporting dunking of a ball after the participants know the play has been blown dead. Under your reasoning, you could have a player charge while jumping over a defender (immediate dead ball) and then be T'd up for finishing off with a dunk - even though the player would not know the ball was dead until the charge (vs block) call is made. You surely could not have blown the whistle until after the A1 went off the A2's back, at which point A1 is already dunking the ball, so we have no dead ball dunk violation unless you are just T happy.

Granted, both players committed an unsporting act. I would pick one or the other to T up (the one on the floor gets my vote) and get out with one. If you really felt the need, you could whack both of them, but I think the point was made with just one T. And how can you say that it gets no better than 3 Ts for one act - I find that attitude in a referee particularly galling. If they compound their error by arguing or slamming the ball, so be it.

Also, did you then eject A1 for the second T? And is this the intent of the rules as you read and instruct them?

Player Technical: Rule 10.3.8.e. Climbing on or lifting a teammate to secure greater height.

Upon reading rules, I would change my call to a T only on A1 (originally I had it on A2), for "Climbing on a teammate to secure greater height." In this case, A2 did not actively lift anyone, so no T. Although it is clear that A2 intended to aid A1, A1 actually committed the violation as defined in the rules. I was pretty sure that this was an either/or call, and you couldn't hit both. Thoughts?

I would automatically give A1 a T for climbing on the back.

A2 would be iffier - he didn't quite lift, but he definately gave A1 an illegal advantage. For me, this would be a have to see, but I'd probably not call the T on A2.

The T on A1 for the dead ball dunk - the intent of that rule is to stop showboating when the players know the ball is dead. I.e., whistle for a foul off ball, a few seconds go by, and B4 picks up the ball and dunks it. Here the dunk was simultaneous with the ball becoming dead, and I think it should be ignored.

Mark,I think your way is the common sense way.Team A is getting their "clocks cleaned",so they're just jerking around and not really committing an unsportsmanlike act.It might be different if the score is reversed and A is way ahead.I think one T gets the message across,even though Mr.DeNucci Sr.' way can be justified literally in the rulebook.Gotta admit though that this is the first time I ever heard of a "false multiple technical foul" being called.Can anyone think of any other sitch where you could find one?

One Flagrant Personal, for excessively hard contact, 1 Regular Technical for the assistant coach for coming onto the court to argue the call, 2 Flagrant Technicals on the same coach for first refusing to leave the court and then for coming back onto the court to tell be one more thing.

So 3 Ts and a Flagrant personal all in less than 4 minutes.

I wouldn't want to have a false mult. tech. foul situation!

I know the original situation was under FED rules, but I thought I'd bring up the following NCAA (men) ruling (10-3.12, AR3): A1 dunks and in so doing grasps the ring with a free hand before the ball leaves his other hand. Ruling: A1 shall be assessed with two indirect technical fouls, one for grasping the ring and the other for dunking a dead ball.

My record is 4 T's - all during the same dead ball with 24 seconds to go in overtime!! Actually, I only called two of them...Women's JC game...visiting team down by 1 and calls time-out with ball just over division line...inbound pass goes to player standing in center circle - with both feet in frontcourt...as she starts her dribble she steps backward - twwet for the over-and-back...coach starts screaming "You are full of ****", so he gets first...then coach charges onto court and tells me I am a "little motherf*****", so he gets #2 and has to leave...as he is leaving he grabs a water bottle and throws it at my partner, who hits him for #3...before we put ball in play, ***'t coach says something to my partner about getting "f*****" on the road, so he T's him also...8 free throws later, the home team inbounds ball and runs out the clock to win by 7...visiting players spent whole time during shots telling me how sorry they were and how embarrassed they were...

I hate when coaches go and ruin a good game for their teams like this!

I hope you were able to respond in a way that encouraged them. They demonstrated the character that their coaches did have. Isn't that a primary purpose for this stuff? to build character? As frustrating as the situation is, those kind of interactions with the players encourages me.

For the officials who were upset with my three for the price of one situation. You have to remember, that his was in the Ohio Games. These were not school teams but AAU and YBOA type teams. The team were getting thier clocks cleaned, the players were indeed jerking around, and their coach had already received a T from my partner. And yes, A1 was ejected for receiving two T's. At this point the coach for the first time in the game got control of himself and his team and we finished the game without incident.

This is a situation that you would be hard pressed to find happen in a high school or college game. I have officiated AAU and YBOA nationals for a number years and I doubt a game would deteriorate to the nonsense of the two players in my play.

mark d.
 

it doesnt matter what level of ball you are officiating or what state. officiating takes a talent combined with rules knowledge and common sense. not just veteran, but great officials know when to use "game management" in a situations like this. this particular article that you wrote (and defended) gives the perception of you as a "t" happy official and having a 1 dimensional view of the game. be careful not to come off as braggadocious about teching and ejecting players on a play as simple as this!

Back on the subject of how many T's. I called a game between the last two undefeated teams in a double elimination tournament last night. My partner had Three, all on players for taunting. Two were your garden variety After the foul, the foulee gives the "take that" taunt to the fouler. shoot one and ones on this end techs on that end. We also had two intentionals. One at the buzzer which we didn't record because the wrong team did it. The final score was a two point spread. Real ugly.

Whoa. A "is getting their clocks cleaned" and you stop the
game for 6 FT's for B for this? If this is *my* game I'm
gonna stop it to get their autograph on the game ball.

Mark, maybe you need to work on finding the joy in life.

Wow, this coach also needs to find the joy in life. Anyway
I believe this is the essential difference between boys/mens
basketball & girls/women's basketball. If this were a men's
juco game you would have ended up tossing at least 3
players too! ;)

Dan,

It was easy to stop the game. It was a running clock game. You do not think I stopped the clock for all of this happy horse manure. It just meant, that for a couple of minutes in a game that was a rout, that my partner and I did not have to run up and down the court.

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You know that. I know that. The coach didn't. All he knew was that 2 T's was an automatic ejection, and he thought that was the only way he could get tossed. So I was happy to oblige him and call two T's rather than the one Disqaulifying foul.

On the same point - even if I had Dq'd him, if he continues swearing as he is leaving the court, can't I assess him with a T (which would go against the bench, rather than the coach)?

Hmmm, good thinking! ;)

Rec leagues can't count for any records. No one ever keeps those records. The players are either just learning or has beens. The coachs REALLY have no idea what they are doing. The administration is doing their best to take these two point into a proper working enviroment. I had 7 in one game about two months ago.

In another light, what is the fastest anyone has called a T on a coach. My best was from about 10 years ago. HS boys game with 8 min quarters. Vistors get opening tap and scores. Full court press. Steals in bounds and scores. Steals in bounds and scores again. A1 dribbles inbound pass off his foot right in front of his bench. I have throw-in and coach tells me I'm the "worst F@#%*g ref" he has ever seen. 7:42 on clock when I report T to the table.

"Sometimes a man has to do what a man has to do."

I hope you deemed it flagrant and tossed that F@#%*g coach. I would have tossed his F@#%*g a** right out of the F@#%*g gym into the F@#%*g street!!! And probably his F@#%*g assistant, too!

And his f*&%#%@& trainer too!! I was in the stands at a HS tournament - one of those Christmas things, and watched a good friend call a T on the home coach 9 seconds into the game...toss and home team controls tap, run down floor and pass into post who turns, shoots, gets it blocked off her face and oob...ref calls visitor ball...home coach jumps up, stamps his cowboy booted foot, and yells "Great, the first play of the game and you screw us twice!" Ref blows whistle, signals T and says "Make it three, coach"...fastest T I have ever seen...

This may be the record
 

I am a new member, but I think I've got one that
nobody can top!
Around 1987 NCAA Div 3 Men's game
Menlo at UCSD (UC San Diego)
Rule was one T for anyone involved, including bench personnel .
Unbeknownst to us, the two teams had problems at Menlo.
We had a player score and turn around, running into
an opponent. They squared up, threw punches, and the party was ON!
After doing an accounting of everyone involved,
we had 13 Ts against Menlo and 2 Ts against UCSD.
The UCSD coach had forewarned his players to NOT
get up from the bench if something happened.
Without the clock moving: Rob Rittgers from UCSD
hit 26 freethrows in a row (30 for 30 in the game).
UCSD went from down a bunch (more than 10)to up and Menlo lost its coach.
There's much more to the story.
I (Barry Alman) worked with Manny Gomes.
I believe that several records were broken,
including some of Pete Maravich's.
It's a good thing that they changed that rule!

HOLY CRAP!!! Barry wins!

Fastest T vs. Fastest Ejection
 

That's quick, all right, but how about this story. I've posted it before, but it's one of my favorites. This happened probably 7 or 8 years ago in an Indiana varsity HS game (at which I was not present, but read the paper account).

Teams come out for layup lines before the start of the game, with officials on the court. The first 3 players in the line all dunk the ball. Three T's, three indirects on the coach and the coach is ejected 10 minutes before the game begins. (I almost typed "before they jump it up"; but of course, they didn't!)

Apparently, the players were disgruntled with the way the coach had done things in a practice earlier in the week. This was their way of showing the coach their displeasure. I would've loved to have been a fly on the wall at halftime in that locker room!

Chuck